It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Krotoan]

so u want the option to turn off a system that probably took painstaking time (referring the spaghetti code that was alot more of a issue at that time) and resources to make.

Disable or replace it on only your own computer, not everyones.

What is the point of that system if people could just turn it off.

For people who still would like to make their own characters appear in a customized way and people who like the variety and "creativeness" of others glamours. . Again, this isn't disabling it for EVERYONE, just on the computer of people who want to enable the option.

and (correct me if i´m wrong) the dye system is tied to the glamour as well so a lot of miss match color scheme if u are not using the same gear in all the slot's.

Solutions to this have been proposed: normalized AF gear instead or full on full character replacements (gear, weapon, face) .

And just because we will not see who would using that option doesn't mean we would not be affected just knowing there would be a system that would put the set my appearance to default is enough to make me shiver, I know there are mods out there that is changing my appearance for someone but that something i or S-e cant do about unless they get caught.

Why does the idea that you're going to have a placeholder generic representation on someone elses screen who doesn't like customized glamours or certain glamours bother you? You prefer knowing that you're inspiring distaste or hate rather than indifference?

Soooo. For those who are ok with having a 'turn off glamour' toggle, here's how it should work:

1) You no longer see any glamours on-screen, including your own. There is a single default outfit and weapon for all players [because it's easier to program]

Being petty isn't a good argument. People who want to disable other glamours still could possibly want to maintain a theme for their own characters.

2) You appear to everybody else in that single default outfit and weapon. Why should we be subjected to YOUR glamour when you tune out OUR glamour?

While I don't care what other people see this would be distressing for people who NEED to have other people seeing their glamour and would be a clear indication this was happening and totally defeat the purpose of this being client side only.

[DPZ2]

Being petty isn't a good argument. People who want to disable other glamours still could possibly want to maintain a theme for their own characters.

I wasn't being petty. I was being serious.

If glamours irritate you enough to turn them off for everyone else on your screen, why should you see yourself with glamours? As for the single default gear/weapon -- that would certainly be the simplest way for a toggle to work.

[Krotoan]

How about this: No means no. Plenty of people here have already expressed why they're not comfortable with having their character's appearance altered. If someone is not comfortable with the idea of something that involves them, they should have a say in it, and they shouldn't even have to justify why to you. The fact when someone says "no, I'm uncomfortable for x reason (or no reason at all)" and your first response is to not respect their feelings and instead try to justify why you should be able to do x thing, you are the problem. I'm sure we all learned about this simple phrase a long time ago.

Except when the person who feels uncomfortable and is involved is the viewer and as has been outlined in many responses has no choice but to view the unwanted (and totally changeable by the wearer btw) glamour. Right?

"Can I repost your art to twitter?"
"No."
"But you'll get so many likes! I'll give you credit!"

or

"You do not have permission to edit my artwork for any reason."
"But you won't even know I edited it if it's only on my screen!"

You are not an artist creating original works when you glamour your character.
"I don't want to see these glamours" does not equal "I want to steal and derive works from your artwork".

OBVIOUSLY it removes your choice to do something. That is the entire point. People die when they are killed. Instead of just saying, "okay, i see why this bothers you," because it's a matter of opinion on whether or not someone cares, the argument for this feature revolves around "here is why your opinion is wrong and why I should get to ignore it." Because of this I can't see any point in continuing to argue over this when the opposition's reasoning is rooted in ignoring how other people feel completely and why their argument is the correct one. I get not wanting to look at frog suits, as ridiculous as it sounds to me the degree to which people are bothered by it, but the choice should lie within the person it involves, not you, because they're not doing anything that should otherwise be considered offensive to you.

Number 1. not wanting to see someones glamour isn't murder or comparable in any way.
2. you are also asking people to just deal with something that concerns them so getting the argument turned back on you is fair play.
3. people are considering how they feel, and honestly you're never going to make everyone happy (this whole forum is full of threads caused by people unhappy about changes that affected them).

It's ridiculous to you that people are bothered by incongruous or flamboyant or revealing outfits, I can empathize because: imagine that same feeling when someone says that just the thought of their video game avatar possibly (not guaranteed, just maybe if they have the option on) not appearing on someone else's screen "correctly" distresses them to no end. It sounds incredibly trivial.

I wasn't being petty. I was being serious.

If glamours irritate you enough to turn them off for everyone else on your screen, why should you see yourself with glamours? As for the single default gear/weapon -- that would certainly be the simplest way for a toggle to work.

Simple sure, but "you don't want to see mine, well you shouldn't see yours either!" is petty as heck. You should see yourself with glamours because the whole point of disabling OTHER peoples glamours is to customize your own experience and if you LOSE customization that kind of defeats the point.

[Fayt1203]

Disable or replace it on only your own computer, not everyones.

I know it been said many of the pages i just thought i did not need to mention that but i guess i was wrong about that

For people who still would like to make their own characters appear in a customized way and people who like the variety and "creativeness" of others glamours. . Again, this isn't disabling it for EVERYONE, just on the computer of people who want to enable the option.

u did not need to spell it out again

Solutions to this have been proposed: normalized AF gear instead or full on full character replacements (gear, weapon, face) .

I think u mean head gear if not that then what u are asking is altering your character completely and again I know where it would be enabled

Why does the idea that you're going to have a placeholder generic representation on someone elses screen who doesn't like customized glamours or certain glamours bother you? You prefer knowing that you're inspiring distaste or hate rather than indifference?

so asking if i glamour only for a negative affect? no i glamour to inspire others to glamour or something like that

people should be tolerant of others in game and in real life

and the people that would be using that feature is not because distaste or hate????? it works both ways.. this just is my thought of the matter would i stop playing if it was implemented properly not

[Krotoan]

I know it been said many of the pages i just thought i did not need to mention that but i guess i was wrong about that



u did not need to spell it out again

I'm not trying to be mean, just thorough.

I think u mean head gear if not that then what u are asking is altering your character completely and again I know where it would be enabled

There was one response that said they might be OK with it if the entire character was replaced since it wouldn't be a misrepresentation of their character, I.E. their character in weird clothes. So I mean Face and yes, full character replacement. Just as consideration for that particular concern.

so asking if i glamour only for a negative affect? no i glamour to inspire others to glamour or something like that

I'm asking why should it matter if someone who doesn't wish to see your outfit cannot see it? At that point all you are doing is annoying them because you cannot make a compromise.

people should be tolerant of others in game and in real life


and the people that would be using that feature is not because distaste or hate????? it works both ways.. this just is my thought of the matter would i stop playing if it was implemented properly not

The people using that feature would be using it so as to minimize feelings of distaste or hate. And noted that you would leave the entire game over just the thought of someone possibly not seeing your glamour.

[Fayt1203]

I'm not trying to be mean, just thorough.





There was one response that said they might be OK with it if the entire character was replaced since it wouldn't be a misrepresentation of their character, I.E. their character in weird clothes. So I mean Face and yes, full character replacement. Just as consideration for that particular concern.




I'm asking why should it matter if someone who doesn't wish to see your outfit cannot see it? At that point all you are doing is annoying them because you cannot make a compromise.



The people using that feature would be using it so as to minimize feelings of distaste or hate. And noted that you would leave the entire game over just the thought of someone possibly not seeing your glamour.

I know that you are not trying to be mean Sometimes i am reading too much in between the lines i was just writing how i felt on the matter even if some it doesn't make much sense

[Cithaerias_pyropina]

While I don't care what other people see this would be distressing for people who NEED to have other people seeing their glamour and would be a clear indication this was happening and totally defeat the purpose of this being client side only.

If this, which it has almost no chance it will be, is implemented make it so whoever has the option on appears in default glamour on my screen.

If that person doesn't want to see my glamour, I don't want to see theirs then. And I shouldn't have to disable everyone's glamours to achieve that.

An option to give everyone a default armor (for each role) that all look the same would be fine too imo. Wouldn't use it too much, but just want to have a way to avoid having to look at certain glamours.

Look. Away. Or are you too lazy to do that.

[Krotoan]

If this, which it has almost no chance it will be, is implemented make it so whoever has the option on appears in default glamour on my screen.

If that person doesn't want to see my glamour, I don't want to see theirs then. And I shouldn't have to disable everyone's glamours to achieve that.

I'm not entirely sure how much plainer I can say this..

The point is that only the initiating players experience is changed, nobody else NEEDS to know about it and it's even been mentioned by several people in this very thread (opposers of this option btw) that it distresses them just to think about it, imagine how much worse it'd be for them if they had an actual representation of how many people weren't seeing their glamours?

[SamRF]

For that I recommend holding down the W or S key, rotating your camera, using your eyes to look away, or a combination of any of the 3.

Look. Away. Or are you too lazy to do that.

You can't look away during instances. Some cosmetics are pretty distracting as well as disturbing. I'm a human, I can't filter out something in my sight or choose to not look at it when it's right in front of me. As most people I don't have full control over my concentration and object of focus.

[Corfish]

You can't look away during instances. Some cosmetics are pretty distracting as well as disturbing. I'm a human, I can't filter out something in my sight or choose to not look at it when it's right in front of me. As most people I don't have full control over my concentration and object of focus.

I mean, unless they're front and center with me in a cutscene, I almost never notice what people wear in a dungeon because I'm focused on doing the dungeon myself. Maybe you should worry less about someone else's glamour and more about the content you're doing (also, what glamour in this game even comes close to disturbing?)