It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Fayt1203]

so u want the option to turn off a system that probably took painstaking time (referring the spaghetti code that was alot more of a issue at that time) and resources to make. What is the point of that system if people could just turn it off. and (correct me if i´m wrong) the dye system is tied to the glamour as well so a lot of miss match color scheme if u are not using the same gear in all the slot's.And just because we will not see who would using that option doesn't mean we would not be affected just knowing there would be a system that would put my appearance to default is enough to make me shiver, I know there are mods out there that is changing my appearance for someone but that something i or S-e cant do about unless they get caught.

[DPZ2]

Soooo. For those who are ok with having a 'turn off glamour' toggle, here's how it should work:

1) You no longer see any glamours on-screen, including your own. There is a single default outfit and weapon for all players [because it's easier to program]

2) You appear to everybody else in that single default outfit and weapon. Why should we be subjected to YOUR glamour when you tune out OUR glamour?

[Krotoan]

so u want the option to turn off a system that probably took painstaking time (referring the spaghetti code that was alot more of a issue at that time) and resources to make.

Disable or replace it on only your own computer, not everyones.

What is the point of that system if people could just turn it off.

For people who still would like to make their own characters appear in a customized way and people who like the variety and "creativeness" of others glamours. . Again, this isn't disabling it for EVERYONE, just on the computer of people who want to enable the option.

and (correct me if i´m wrong) the dye system is tied to the glamour as well so a lot of miss match color scheme if u are not using the same gear in all the slot's.

Solutions to this have been proposed: normalized AF gear instead or full on full character replacements (gear, weapon, face) .

And just because we will not see who would using that option doesn't mean we would not be affected just knowing there would be a system that would put the set my appearance to default is enough to make me shiver, I know there are mods out there that is changing my appearance for someone but that something i or S-e cant do about unless they get caught.

Why does the idea that you're going to have a placeholder generic representation on someone elses screen who doesn't like customized glamours or certain glamours bother you? You prefer knowing that you're inspiring distaste or hate rather than indifference?

Soooo. For those who are ok with having a 'turn off glamour' toggle, here's how it should work:

1) You no longer see any glamours on-screen, including your own. There is a single default outfit and weapon for all players [because it's easier to program]

Being petty isn't a good argument. People who want to disable other glamours still could possibly want to maintain a theme for their own characters.

2) You appear to everybody else in that single default outfit and weapon. Why should we be subjected to YOUR glamour when you tune out OUR glamour?

While I don't care what other people see this would be distressing for people who NEED to have other people seeing their glamour and would be a clear indication this was happening and totally defeat the purpose of this being client side only.

[3c-33]

How about this: No means no. Plenty of people here have already expressed why they're not comfortable with having their character's appearance altered. If someone is not comfortable with the idea of something that involves them, they should have a say in it, and they shouldn't even have to justify why to you. The fact when someone says "no, I'm uncomfortable for x reason (or no reason at all)" and your first response is to not respect their feelings and instead try to justify why you should be able to do x thing, you are the problem. I'm sure we all learned about this simple phrase a long time ago.

"Can I repost your art to twitter?"
"No."
"But you'll get so many likes! I'll give you credit!"

or

"You do not have permission to edit my artwork for any reason."
"But you won't even know I edited it if it's only on my screen!"

OBVIOUSLY it removes your choice to do something. That is the entire point. People die when they are killed. Instead of just saying, "okay, i see why this bothers you," because it's a matter of opinion on whether or not someone cares, the argument for this feature revolves around "here is why your opinion is wrong and why I should get to ignore it." Because of this I can't see any point in continuing to argue over this when the opposition's reasoning is rooted in ignoring how other people feel completely and why their argument is the correct one. I get not wanting to look at frog suits, as ridiculous as it sounds to me the degree to which people are bothered by it, but the choice should lie within the person it involves, not you, because they're not doing anything that should otherwise be considered offensive to you.

[DPZ2]

Being petty isn't a good argument. People who want to disable other glamours still could possibly want to maintain a theme for their own characters.

I wasn't being petty. I was being serious.

If glamours irritate you enough to turn them off for everyone else on your screen, why should you see yourself with glamours? As for the single default gear/weapon -- that would certainly be the simplest way for a toggle to work.

[Nedkel]

After thinking about it for longer.

We should not have button to disable all glamours but an option to hide glamour of single player by right clicking on them and just pressing "hide glamour".
Good glamours would still be visible and the ones we dont like we could just simply hide. Thats it.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

...it's a game, guys.

Maybe not everyone has realised that.

If you are worried about glamour, look into a mirror - not your PC monitor.

[Krotoan]

How about this: No means no. Plenty of people here have already expressed why they're not comfortable with having their character's appearance altered. If someone is not comfortable with the idea of something that involves them, they should have a say in it, and they shouldn't even have to justify why to you. The fact when someone says "no, I'm uncomfortable for x reason (or no reason at all)" and your first response is to not respect their feelings and instead try to justify why you should be able to do x thing, you are the problem. I'm sure we all learned about this simple phrase a long time ago.

Except when the person who feels uncomfortable and is involved is the viewer and as has been outlined in many responses has no choice but to view the unwanted (and totally changeable by the wearer btw) glamour. Right?

"Can I repost your art to twitter?"
"No."
"But you'll get so many likes! I'll give you credit!"

or

"You do not have permission to edit my artwork for any reason."
"But you won't even know I edited it if it's only on my screen!"

You are not an artist creating original works when you glamour your character.
"I don't want to see these glamours" does not equal "I want to steal and derive works from your artwork".

OBVIOUSLY it removes your choice to do something. That is the entire point. People die when they are killed. Instead of just saying, "okay, i see why this bothers you," because it's a matter of opinion on whether or not someone cares, the argument for this feature revolves around "here is why your opinion is wrong and why I should get to ignore it." Because of this I can't see any point in continuing to argue over this when the opposition's reasoning is rooted in ignoring how other people feel completely and why their argument is the correct one. I get not wanting to look at frog suits, as ridiculous as it sounds to me the degree to which people are bothered by it, but the choice should lie within the person it involves, not you, because they're not doing anything that should otherwise be considered offensive to you.

Number 1. not wanting to see someones glamour isn't murder or comparable in any way.
2. you are also asking people to just deal with something that concerns them so getting the argument turned back on you is fair play.
3. people are considering how they feel, and honestly you're never going to make everyone happy (this whole forum is full of threads caused by people unhappy about changes that affected them).

It's ridiculous to you that people are bothered by incongruous or flamboyant or revealing outfits, I can empathize because: imagine that same feeling when someone says that just the thought of their video game avatar possibly (not guaranteed, just maybe if they have the option on) not appearing on someone else's screen "correctly" distresses them to no end. It sounds incredibly trivial.

I wasn't being petty. I was being serious.

If glamours irritate you enough to turn them off for everyone else on your screen, why should you see yourself with glamours? As for the single default gear/weapon -- that would certainly be the simplest way for a toggle to work.

Simple sure, but "you don't want to see mine, well you shouldn't see yours either!" is petty as heck. You should see yourself with glamours because the whole point of disabling OTHER peoples glamours is to customize your own experience and if you LOSE customization that kind of defeats the point.

[FedoraTheExplorer]

Don't you all find it absolutely lovely how OP just threw the bait and disappeared and the thread still went on for 52 pages? Most successful trolling ever.

Because we're all stupid.

[RobinMalvin]

I'm still so amazed how the opposition is this fierce.

For my opinion on this, I'm actually quite in favor with this. While I do find some glamours to be distasteful, my main reason to side with this request is because it may help to improve the game performance for some people and in some instances.

Take Guild Wars 2 for example. The game has settings to lower the quality of other PC gears which can help increase FPS and on lowest setting, replace them with some generic gears (they're quite unseemly imo but I'd take it over being laggy from instance congestions). It is also under graphic options, which means it doesn't affect the server in any way, only the user's platform.




I can see this being helpful to reduce lag in some instances (hunts, FATE, Eureka, alliance raid) and if FFXIV ever introduce the same feature, I would likely use it in those instances to increase my game performance. The change of gears will be on client only, nobody's freedom is infringed by it and if it helps some people to play and experience the game better I see no reason to be against it.