It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Iscah]

I can disagree and still understand the opposing side. Up to a point. Changing what I see on my screen doesn't remove any control of your character from you.

Except - as we continue to be unable to agree on - some of us do see that as removing control over our character - specifically, the ability to control how we are presented to others.

It's not about wanting to wear obnoxious outfits or "be seen". but if you look at my character, I want her wearing what I picked for her - not the AF gear designers' ideas of what constitutes "feminine outfits", which usually means a miniskirt.

[Joven]

Except - as we continue to be unable to agree on - some of us do see that as removing control over our character - specifically, the ability to control how we are presented to others.

It's not about wanting to wear obnoxious outfits or "be seen". but if you look at my character, I want her wearing what I picked for her - not the AF gear designers' ideas of what constitutes "feminine outfits", which usually means a miniskirt.

But you want to control what other people get to see on their own screen? That's the problem I'm having trouble with.

[Theodric]

But you want to control what other people get to see on their own screen? That's the problem I'm having trouble with.

I'd like to control your Midlander on my screen...

[Joven]

I'd like to control your Midlander on my screen...

Oh my!

/10char

[Iscah]

But you want to control what other people get to see on their own screen? That's the problem I'm having trouble with.

If what you're seeing on the screen is "me", then yes.

[SonKevin]

...not the AF gear designers' ideas of what constitutes "feminine outfits", which usually means a miniskirt.

What? Almost all of the AF gear looks identical on both genders with the exception of a scant few.

[Iscah]

What? Almost all of the AF gear looks identical on both genders with the exception of a scant few.

Mage gear almost invariably loses pants on the female version.

Lv50 Summoner loses the pants under a skirt I would otherwise really like to wear.

Lv50 WHM gets frilly underwear instead of what were admittedly short shorts on the male version

LvEverything SCH gets miniskirts instead of pants

Lv50 Bard loses the entire shirt under the vest

Lv50 DRG.... you've probably seen. NIN is similar.

Lv60 Summoner has a loincloth for both genders

Lv60 WHM again loses the pants under the skirt

LV60 BRD has a gaping front that shows more on females than males, and loses an entire leg off the pants

Lv70 WHM gets fancy underwear instead of full pants on men, plus that horrendous fan collar

Lv70 AST gets an awkward-looking dress instead of the nice male tunic

Lv70/80 BRD gets short shorts instead of (really pretty) pants

This probably isn't even a complete list.

[Avidria]

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Yeah I gotta say, and this is a liiil off topic maybe, but I really wish they'd stop giving the female versions skirts instead of pants so often. Ofc I absolutely love the shorts 80 BRD gets, but still. A lot of the healer outfits in particular are really just a slot taken up for me because they look pretty eh with just about everything - the skirts don't even have a great shape to them, imo.

I still don't really feel strongly either way about having this kind of option to hide gear, but I'll also say again that people would probably end up surrounded by just as many 'silly' glamours purely because of everything being completely mismatched, and heavens know SE's resources seem to be tucked into a nice tight purse right now so idk if slapping everyone in job gear is even feasible for them at this point :P

[SonKevin]

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What if they were to go back and design them so they are all truly gender neutral? We'll get rid of all of the women's versions of those items and keep them straight as the male version for every single one of them. That should solve your problem with this plan, right?