It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Iscah]

You've yet to produce a compelling argument for why something like this shouldn't exist. All I've seen is that you believe that it would somehow remove your ability to glamour how you want, despite being told time and again that wouldn't be the case. If you were actually adamant about your stance, if you truly believe what you you're saying is correct, then it shouldn't matter how many times you have to say it. Just going "I don't care" after being refuted shows that you don't have any conviction and don't believe your own arguments.

The reason you're not seeing a "compelling argument" is that the whole argument boils down to a disagreement over where the line is drawn about what control we have over our characters.

If you disagree then no argument can be made to sound compelling.

And I disagree that giving up on continuing the argument means there's inherently no merit to the case - there are only so many times both sides can repeat the exact same arguments without budging, and people are already remarking about how both sides are keeping on going.

It shouldn't have to be a staring match where both sides keep going until one gets tired and the other "wins". Especially over an internet argument about a feature that doesn't even exist.

[Joven]

The reason you're not seeing a "compelling argument" is that the whole argument boils down to a disagreement over where the line is drawn about what control we have over our characters.

If you disagree then no argument can be made to sound compelling.

And I disagree that giving up on continuing the argument means there's inherently no merit to the case - there are only so many times both sides can repeat the exact same arguments without budging, and people are already remarking about how both sides are keeping on going.

It shouldn't have to be a staring match where both sides keep going until one gets tired and the other "wins". Especially over an internet argument about a feature that doesn't even exist.

I can disagree and still understand the opposing side. Up to a point. Changing what I see on my screen doesn't remove any control of your character from you. It's no different than if I was to turn off spell effects because I didn't care for the flashy-ness of them. Am I removing the developers ability to keep adding them or making them as flashy as they want? No.

As I said before on here, it's not about "winning", there's nothing to win. It's about expressing an idea or opinion and debating their merits.

[Iscah]

I can disagree and still understand the opposing side. Up to a point. Changing what I see on my screen doesn't remove any control of your character from you.

Except - as we continue to be unable to agree on - some of us do see that as removing control over our character - specifically, the ability to control how we are presented to others.

It's not about wanting to wear obnoxious outfits or "be seen". but if you look at my character, I want her wearing what I picked for her - not the AF gear designers' ideas of what constitutes "feminine outfits", which usually means a miniskirt.

[Joven]

Except - as we continue to be unable to agree on - some of us do see that as removing control over our character - specifically, the ability to control how we are presented to others.

It's not about wanting to wear obnoxious outfits or "be seen". but if you look at my character, I want her wearing what I picked for her - not the AF gear designers' ideas of what constitutes "feminine outfits", which usually means a miniskirt.

But you want to control what other people get to see on their own screen? That's the problem I'm having trouble with.

[Theodric]

But you want to control what other people get to see on their own screen? That's the problem I'm having trouble with.

I'd like to control your Midlander on my screen...

[Joven]

I'd like to control your Midlander on my screen...

Oh my!

/10char

[Iscah]

But you want to control what other people get to see on their own screen? That's the problem I'm having trouble with.

If what you're seeing on the screen is "me", then yes.

[SonKevin]

...not the AF gear designers' ideas of what constitutes "feminine outfits", which usually means a miniskirt.

What? Almost all of the AF gear looks identical on both genders with the exception of a scant few.

[Iscah]

What? Almost all of the AF gear looks identical on both genders with the exception of a scant few.

Mage gear almost invariably loses pants on the female version.

Lv50 Summoner loses the pants under a skirt I would otherwise really like to wear.

Lv50 WHM gets frilly underwear instead of what were admittedly short shorts on the male version

LvEverything SCH gets miniskirts instead of pants

Lv50 Bard loses the entire shirt under the vest

Lv50 DRG.... you've probably seen. NIN is similar.

Lv60 Summoner has a loincloth for both genders

Lv60 WHM again loses the pants under the skirt

LV60 BRD has a gaping front that shows more on females than males, and loses an entire leg off the pants

Lv70 WHM gets fancy underwear instead of full pants on men, plus that horrendous fan collar

Lv70 AST gets an awkward-looking dress instead of the nice male tunic

Lv70/80 BRD gets short shorts instead of (really pretty) pants

This probably isn't even a complete list.

[Avidria]

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Yeah I gotta say, and this is a liiil off topic maybe, but I really wish they'd stop giving the female versions skirts instead of pants so often. Ofc I absolutely love the shorts 80 BRD gets, but still. A lot of the healer outfits in particular are really just a slot taken up for me because they look pretty eh with just about everything - the skirts don't even have a great shape to them, imo.

I still don't really feel strongly either way about having this kind of option to hide gear, but I'll also say again that people would probably end up surrounded by just as many 'silly' glamours purely because of everything being completely mismatched, and heavens know SE's resources seem to be tucked into a nice tight purse right now so idk if slapping everyone in job gear is even feasible for them at this point :P