Thank you Yoshi for your stance on DPS meters

[AmeliaVerves]

And if you are passing these DPS checks, even if you aren't performing to the level someone else would like, end of story. If you are following mechanics and passing these thresholds in the game, you shouldn't be called out because it isn't going as fast as YOU would like.

I never said anything about speed tho. Just because I personally did speedkills and aimed for the best of best I don't ask others to do so.

But for savage and ultimate "just passing" is sometimes not enough bc you cannot pass in the first place. You end up smashing your head against a wall and you will just not be able to get over it, because you have no way to find out who is 'underperforming'. Even if you would like to help in a nice and polite manner, you can't because you wouldn't know.

How about instead of a party DPS meter, we could give Billy a personal meter to show how well he's performing mid fight?

This is basically an agreement a lot of us are aiming for already, so people could at least get an idea that something is off with their performance, but a lot of people don't want that either for idk, reasons I guess.

[SaberMaxwell]

Having a chatbox can and has led to way more harassment than a parser ever will. Following the logic that the playerbase is just this unruly child who can't be trusted with anything, just lock the chatbox entirely. It's fine, we have third party chatboxes too.

[Senn]

This is basically an agreement a lot of us are aiming for already, so people could at least get an idea that something is off with their performance, but a lot of people don't want that either for idk, reasons I guess.

Well, I'm all for having an in-game personal DPS meter that only you can see. I've been wanting one for a long time now.

[AmeliaVerves]

Well, I'm all for having an in-game personal DPS meter that only you can see. I've been wanting one for a long time now.

I bet most PS4 players are in the same boat. lmao.

I'd still argue a personal one is not ideal, but it'd be a great start and as I said probably a good point to sit on and wait if we end up yeeting each other out the game because of rising toxicity.
No idea how they are logging the fights, but something like the fflogs rank system for finished encounters would be pretty decent in addition to a personal life parse. Just make 4 ranks, A - D (A being best and then decreasing) and when you finished a fight you see a popup with your rank. Everyone can either ignore it or take the information.

[Penthea]

You are not paying for my subscription. You have no authority to dictate how I want to play or if I need to improve or not.

As for learning/clear parties, you have no right to be saying anything about anyone.

While it is true no one has the right to dictate how you play, I can't help but recall that you had said before many times (you have since deleted those posts) that no one is allowed to comment on what you're doing. I feel like you're saying the same thing again, but worded in a more subtle manner in an attempt to appear vaguely reasonable, when you're not.

If you join a group you are entering a public space. Anything you do is everyone's business because everything you do affects the whole group. Every player in your group is allowed to comment on something that affects them.

The only way you're going to be able to avoid any commentary is by always making your own groups with a rule forbidding it, or leaving the game.

[Senn]

Have you ever thought a huge portion of the player base really doesn't care? A large swatch of players play for the story, and clearing content just for the clear or glams.

Have you ever thought that some people might want to see their own DPS so they can improve? Geez.
Just give me a personal DPS meter, and allow players to toggle it on or off if they want and I'll be happy.

[ReiMakoto]

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Im quite upset you didnt even address the billy analogy, i felt it was quite pertinent both the discussion and my stance on things. What if you have a Billy in your stress free party, what if youre the Billy, theres no way of knowing, and thats the problem a lot of us have, its not a malicious be perfect or kick, or meet my high standards, or even looking the "shame" weaker players, its purely practical. If our stated goal is to kill something, having the option to know what is inhibiting that goal is information that every player should have. My ideal situation is the party would have to aggree to it like with lootmaster. The rest of what you said didnt seem relevant to my points, yes those parties currently exist, im arguing it would be a good thing if these systems were baked into the game as dps is a game mechanic. The game does have thresholds, theyre called enrage, the very fact enrages exist means measuring dps becomes a mechanic, wether official or not. Like you said we would unlikely cross paths in PF unless youre joining clear or farm parties with clearly stated goals, which most people do, its just that as the system currently is people can join these parties without meeting the parties requirements, and may not even know it because the game doesnt tell you how you perform

[Penthea]

You seem to keep urging ever-so-subtly that I shouldn't be playing this game at all when everyone approaches this content differently.

I'm not being subtle about it. Players who cannot handle normal group situations should stay away from them. And given it's impossible to play this game alone, a person in this predicament either needs to change their attitude, somehow engineer a group situation that suits them, or stop playing.

I actually am being very reasonable and I have posted several comments on my reasoning in a very calm and thought out manner. As I've said, people should be very clear from the beginning what they expect from their parties.

Oh yes I'm sure that threatening to report anyone who comments on your dps is a very reasonable thing indeed.

I've also mentioned multiple times that I form my own PF groups forbidding any outside sources or commentary and things are stress-free.

That's fair. But this doesn't mean you're not being unreasonable when you preach in the forums about how we don't pay your sub so no one has a right to comment on your performance.

I am sorry you find me horribly unreasonable and just a horrible person in general. Thankfully, you don't have to ever play with me I wish you a wonderful day.

Please do not put words into my mouth. I never said you were a horrible person. I find your stance on commentary very silly. This does not mean I hate you. I blacklist people I hate. Clearly I haven't blacklisted you.

And I doubt you wish me a wonderful day if you have somehow convinced yourself that I have a very strong distaste towards you.

[testname]

You are not paying for my subscription. You have no authority to dictate how I want to play or if I need to improve or not. End of the day. The game is designed a certain way without the use of damage meters. You should take the initiative to state VERY CLEARLY your requirements for a Savage Party or Ultimate party so people can choose whether or not to stay.

Also, I don't pay yours, so you have every right to not want to play with me. Personally, I wouldn't want to be in a party with you anyway since our game goals and motivations are obviously VERY different.

As for learning/clear parties, you have no right to be saying anything about anyone.

Holy Moly, calm down C(^-^C)

[AmeliaVerves]

Have you ever thought that some people might want to see their own DPS so they can improve? Geez.
Just give me a personal DPS meter, and allow players to toggle it on or off if they want and I'll be happy.

That's basically what I find so unfair in this game. Players that don't care get coddled and they have all means ingame to play the way they want, which, again, is great and I like it. But those of use who strife for improvement are left alone and have no chances to play the game the way we want to.
At least not in an official way, which is really sad tbh.