Mentors...please!

[Mahoukenshi]

Hollow excuses, and you know it. Dungeons are always the same: corridors connecting round boss arenas. There's nothing new to learn aside from the bosses' mechanics. Trash mobs, in particular, are always the same. Once in a while you may have a weird aoe, but that's the most unexpected thing that might happen, and even then it's not hard at all to dodge it while doing your aoe rotation.

And also the point here is not forcing others to play in a certain way. It's that there's a undisputed better way to play, both from a difficulty (big pulls are easy and aoe rotations are actually easier than single target rotations) and from a time efficiency (wall-to-wall pulls allow you to save around 10 minutes per dungeon) point of view, provided the party has a modicum of competence.

If a party is not able to manage that, it's a bad party, plain and simple. It means that 3 or all party members do not understand some of the fundamental mechanics of the game's combat system itself or how their jobs work. And if this happens in a lvl 71 dungeons, it's very concerning. And when that happens, players should be encouraged to step up, not be told that they'e fine because big pulls are something that only elite players do (which is obviously false).

Tryharding 101: How to talk like a totally elite bad@ss player in an MMO, written by Lastelli. Now in your local bookstore or in e-book format.

[Lastelli]

Tryharding 101: How to talk like a totally elite bad@ss player in an MMO, written by Lastelli. Now in your local bookstore or in e-book format.

Pointing out that players that play as if they forgot to set half their skills on their hotbars should be encouraged to improve = tryharding?

Good lord...how low has the community gone...

[Thamorian]

Tryharding 101: How to talk like a totally elite bad@ss player in an MMO, written by Lastelli. Now in your local bookstore or in e-book format.

This is in no way tryharding, this is is how 95%+ of dungeons go. 1-3 people say hi at the start of the dungeon, tank pulls wall to wall, healer heals and casts AoE when they can, and DPS do their AoE rotation. As a main tank, it's been my experience that I rarely run into a no-dps healer or DPS that doesn't use their AoEs on a large pull. In the thousands of dungeons I've run since 2.0 release, there's been maybe somewhere between 2 to 4 dozen times that I got DPS who only do single rotation on trash mobs or a healer that asks for small pulls at the start. Now I'll usually check healers gear at the start of a dungeon to see if they are decent geared and if it's even remotely decent, I'll start with wall to wall, and we wipe, I determine if we need to slow down cause healer couldn't handle it or if we continue with big pulls because we wiped because of something that won't be an issue in the rest of the pulls in a dungeon. If you consider either of the above elitism, then 99% of the player base must seem like elitists to you.

[RajNish]

1-3 people say hi at the start of the dungeon, tank pulls wall to wall, healer heals and casts AoE when they can, and DPS do their AoE rotation.

Yep, in Aurum Vale.

[Lastelli]

Yep, in Aurum Vale.

Welp, good job mentioning the only dungeon where big pulls are actually challenging. Too bad it's a dungeon from like 7 years ago.

[RajNish]

Welp, good job mentioning the only dungeon where big pulls are actually challenging. Too bad it's a dungeon from like 7 years ago.

Any dungeon where you do not have the described skills, in fact. You can look at the list of these dungeons, compare them with the healers skills and draw conclusions. By the way, I saw a lot of wipes in Brayflox's Longstop also, when tank decided to run from wall to wall, having only Rampart. However, much more interesting is the fact that players who are considered experienced do not take these conditions into account. Especially those who are mentors.

[SoranRigel]

Especially those who are mentors.

Yes, for some reason it is the mentors. This is practically a rule.
But looking at the tactical advice of experienced players in this topic, I'm not surprised...

[Tamhas]

Yes, for some reason it is the mentors. This is practically a rule.
But looking at the tactical advice of experienced players in this topic, I'm not surprised...

So... What can such mentors teach me?

[Thamorian]

Yep, in Aurum Vale.

Yeah Aurum Vale kinda sucks. Capped at lvl 49 so you don't get those awesome level 50 skill. While I do sometimes have to go slower in this dungeon more than other dungeons, I still do large pulls here more a majority of the time, just not necessarily wall to wall. But Aurum Vale is the exception, not the rule. I mean unless, since you are a lvl 80 SCH, you are running dungeons as a SCH and demanding the party go slow so single group pulls would be normal, for you, but thats still not THE normal.

EDIT: I forgot what thread this was. Same 2-3 people acting like their way is the normal/correct way even when everyone else disagrees with them.

[SoranRigel]

I forgot what thread this was. Same 2-3 people acting like their way is the normal/correct way even when everyone else disagrees with them.

Hm. I see that specific examples of a toxic style of play do not leave you indifferent. You really don't like it when people talk about this problem.
Toxicity exists in two cases:
1. There are those who are ready to use it.
2. There are those who are willing to tolerate it.
Which group do you belong to?