SE, don't nerf SMN's DoT potency. Remove Tri-Disaster's Reset Mechanic First.

[Kabooa]

You are going to have to select something else to nerf, because those DoTs are integral to the entire job all the way up the chain.

Rank 3s don't come into play until level 66.

It's fine.

[Silverquick]

Rank 3s don't come into play until level 66.

It's fine.

Yeah... but consider all of the content that hurts that was just fine and previously balanced that no longer would be.

That's the problem with it. Its not just affecting one little fight.

[Kabooa]

Yeah... but consider all of the content that hurts that was just fine and previously balanced that no longer would be.

That's the problem with it. Its not just affecting one little fight.

You mean all the content Summoner cleared before they got an effective 20% damage boost?

They'll be fine.

[Silverquick]

You mean all the content Summoner cleared before they got an effective 20% damage boost?

They'll be fine.

Look man, I wouldn't be saying this if I hadn't already seen it happen before.

This is not something I just pulled out of my rear end here. I made the mistake last time around of "assuming" it would be fine.

It was clearly not.

[Kabooa]

Look man, I wouldn't be saying this if I hadn't already seen it happen before.

This is not something I just pulled out of my rear end here. I made the mistake last time around of "assuming" it would be fine.

It was clearly not.

Summoner's problem is never its DoT damage at the start of expansions. The problem is that each expansion they take hard 90 degree turns in the Job's design and flow. Go back through and look through Stormblood patch notes.

At no point was DoT damage ever increased. From the start of Stormblood to the end, the rank 3 dots were 50, which at the time was mostly equivalent to what Summoners had in Heavensward with Bio + Bio II + Miasma I.

[Silverquick]

Summoner's problem is never its DoT damage at the start of expansions. The problem is that each expansion they take hard 90 degree turns in the Job's design and flow. Go back through and look through Stormblood patch notes.

At no point was DoT damage ever increased. From the start of Stormblood to the end, the rank 3 dots were 50, which at the time was mostly equivalent to what Summoners had in Heavensward with Bio + Bio II + Miasma I.

No it did decrease and in a drastic measure. It went from Bio + Bio II + Miasma + Miasma II + Shadowflare stacked and all ticking... down to only Bio and Miasma with escalating steps no longer stacked.

It was so bad they eventually added Outburst which USED to be called "Tri-Bind" which was originally only a dinky little 20 potency AoE prior with a "Root" type addition to it.

That was changed to eventually become the 90 potency AoE it is today to account for all that lost damage. And this doesn't even get into Bane.

There is a whole host of things that had to be changed because that tiny little nerf hosed up everything all the way up the chain.

[Kabooa]

No it did decrease and in a drastic measure. It went from Bio + Bio II + Miasma + Miasma II + Shadowflare stacked and all ticking... down to only Bio and Miasma with escalating steps no longer stacked.

The only point worth anything here is Shadowflare. I can't remember which version Stormblood had, but every iteration of it for potency is made up by having one demi summon per trance.

Summoner's problems are not DoT damage.

It all comes down to PPS in the end - Where as removing Tri-Disaster's reset isn't just PPS, it's gameflow.

Again - Unless Summoners hate tri-disaster resets, it makes no sense to alter game flow to achieve the same goal of a DoT reduction.

[Nemekh]

Summoner's problem is never its DoT damage at the start of expansions. The problem is that each expansion they take hard 90 degree turns in the Job's design and flow. Go back through and look through Stormblood patch notes.

At no point was DoT damage ever increased. From the start of Stormblood to the end, the rank 3 dots were 50, which at the time was mostly equivalent to what Summoners had in Heavensward with Bio + Bio II + Miasma I.

This is not correct at all. There's a reason why the DoT yoyo meme exists with 40 50 40 50 x.

Stormblood DoTs started at 40p/t each. In 4.06 they were both increased to 50p/t each due to Summoner's weaker damage at the time, all before the huge patch that was 4.10.

[Kabooa]

This is not correct at all. There's a reason why the DoT yoyo meme exists with 40 50 40 50 x.

Stormblood DoTs started at 40p/t each. In 4.06 they were both increased to 50p/t each due to Summoner's weaker damage at the time, all before the huge patch that was 4.10.

In the future I'll be certain to visit that site for patch notes. It's organized much better.