Thank you Yoshi for your stance on DPS meters

[linay]

Those who care about DPS and numbers have already been using DPS meters all this time and I bet hardly anyone has ever noticed this.

There are probably people who care about DPS, but not enough to break ToS or deal with the "hassle" of installing a third party tool. They would likely use a parser if it was officially supported. There are probably also console players who would use a parser if it was available to them.

[AmiRose]

There are probably people who care about DPS, but not enough to break ToS. They would likely use a parser if it was officially supported. There are probably also console players who would use a parser if it was available to them.

True, you're right. I just don't see how would that make the community more toxic is what I'm trying to say. What should be/stay against the ToS is being a dick about it.
As long as that stays a bannable offense, there should be no issues in having an official parser available.
If they are so worried about what a parser would do to the community, then just implement it to only activate during extreme/savage/ultimate modes.
Your DPS matters there and people who want to tackle that content just need to face the truth of their performance.

[linay]

True, you're right. I just don't see how would that make the community more toxic is what I'm trying to say. What should be/stay against the ToS is being a dick about it. As long as that stays a bannable offense, there should be no issues in having an official parser available. Like if they are so worried about what a parser would do to the community, then just implement it to only activate during extreme/savage/ultimate modes. It matters there and people who want to tackle that content just need to face the truth of their performance.

I think it's partly about prevention. If less people are using it, and especially using it in the open, then there would be less chance of toxicity of this kind to occur. Of course, either way, harassment would still be forbidden.

[AmiRose]

I think it's partly about prevention. If less people are using it, and especially using it in the open, then there would be less chance of toxicity of this kind to occur. Of course, either way, harassment would still be forbidden.

In my opinion, you cannot force fights to have a DPS check and then forbid people from seeing their/others DPS.
How do you know what the problem is when you are not allowed to see/speak about it?
Also, the reason we have access to information about our jobs optimal rotation is due to people parsing this stuff, over and over.
People are only seeing this "negative" side to it, yet all this information wouldn't be out there if it weren't for the right tools.
It's the number one reason as to why people can and know how to improve in the first place.

[linay]

In my opinion, you cannot force fights to have a DPS check and then forbid people from seeing their/others DPS.
How do you know what the problem is when you are not allowed to see/speak about it?
Also, the reason we have access to information about our jobs optimal rotation is due to people parsing this stuff, over and over.
People are only seeing this "negative" side to it, yet all this information wouldn't be out there if it weren't for the right tools.
It's the number one reason as to why people can and know how to improve in the first place.

That's probably why SE is "fine" with the status quo. SE has made their stance known that they won't have a parser built into the game, but they won't do anything about third party parser unless it causes problem.

[SturmChurro]

That's probably why SE is "fine" with the status quo. SE has made their stance known that they won't have a parser built into the game, but they won't do anything about third party parser unless it causes problem.

It's a thing of players unable to keep their mouths shut, so to speak, and the mass report mentality for any supposed "slight" that ruins a good thing.

[linay]

It's a thing of players unable to keep their mouths shut, so to speak, and the mass report mentality for any supposed "slight" that ruins a good thing.

That's the downside of a multiplayer game: the other players.

[SturmChurro]

There are probably people who care about DPS, but not enough to break ToS or deal with the "hassle" of installing a third party tool. They would likely use a parser if it was officially supported. There are probably also console players who would use a parser if it was available to them.

That's pretty much me. I don't care as long as we are clearing, but if we aren't I usually say something around the issue like "I think our overall DPS is low" even if I did know who was the issue and leave a farm or whatever I am doing. Any kind of criticism if reported can land you with a 10 day ban or whatever. Not worth it at all.

In my opinion, you cannot force fights to have a DPS check and then forbid people from seeing their/others DPS.
How do you know what the problem is when you are not allowed to see/speak about it?
Also, the reason we have access to information about our jobs optimal rotation is due to people parsing this stuff, over and over.
People are only seeing this "negative" side to it, yet all this information wouldn't be out there if it weren't for the right tools.
It's the number one reason as to why people can and know how to improve in the first place.

Agreed, it's just tool. Players who actually harass others are the real issue. If someone cannot clear content, even without a tool it is usually clear who it is, the end result would be the same. A breakup of the clear group, or removal of said player.

[AmiRose]

If someone cannot clear content, even without a tool it is usually clear who it is

How? If they are dying over and over and failing mechanics then sure, but how can you tell that someone is butchering their entire rotations and doing less DPS than the healers?

[SturmChurro]

How? If they are dying over and over and failing mechanics then sure, but how can you tell that someone is butchering their entire rotations and doing less DPS than the healers?

Who is failing mechanics, what they are casting (or not ) when, etc. A tool makes it easier, but I have done enough farm parties without a parser to know. Most healers do nothing and just stand there, all it takes is a simple glance. A lot of players are actually just simply being very obvious when doing things wrong. You just (yes) don't know to what extent they are truly failing without the tool. Either way, if you can't clear you can't clear.