Thank you Yoshi for your stance on DPS meters

[Kytrin]

Yet I also feel it's not hard enough to figure out of jobs designed rotation as yes, they all have a design to them. Just cause you can spam ice 4 doesn't mean you should.

I largely agree with you, but I will note that not everyone can play the 'optimal' rotation. It's not for lack of trying or general skill, they simply have difficulty with it. I'm very much like that with samurai. I have tried, god knows how long I spent at my striking dummy messing with this, but I simply cannot find a keyboard configuration that allows me to mash skills the way I'm supposed to. Every configuration I tried was too uncomfortable and awkward for me to use.

The bulk of my problem being my hands are too small to comfortably reach 8-= and also be able to tab or hit shift/ctrl without taking my other hand off the mouse. It's very frustrating. And the end result is that in order to save my fingers and sanity, I don't run the 'optimal' rotation. I run something CLOSE to it, as close as I can get, but not it exactly. And close means there's a dps difference no matter what I do, though I don't yet know how my damage stacks up to what I 'should' be doing. I don't think it's a particularly large difference all things considered, but it's a factor and always will be.

Just to throw out there that people not doing the intended rotation doesn't always mean they're bad at their jobs or haven't learned. There may be other reasons for things besides inability to read tooltips or look up rotations or ask questions on the Balance Discord, and it wouldn't kill people to remember that.

[Liam_Harper]

And the end result is that in order to save my fingers and sanity, I don't run the 'optimal' rotation. I run something CLOSE to it, as close as I can get, but not it exactly. And close means there's a dps difference no matter what I do, though I don't yet know how my damage stacks up to what I 'should' be doing. I don't think it's a particularly large difference all things considered, but it's a factor and always will be.

Honestly, that isn't the worst thing in the world. You need to give it a chance and practice it, but if you're finding minor parts of your rotation are losing you more than you gain it can sometimes be better to drop them. For example in SB when Hagakure was a thing, I took it off my hotbar entirely and could still hit orange. You take the 1-2% potential loss but can play much more easily so that you're 10% better than you would be otherwise. ST mouseover macros for healers are another one, it's a tiny loss over the fight but if you heal far more efficiently with no hesitations it works out a gain.

Some rotations are more rigid and can't be altered without big losses, so it takes a little figuring out whether you can fine tune your rotation for personal use. Sam's a little more rigid now Shoha has been buffed. As I mentioned earlier though, the main thing is uptime and APM (actions per minute), getting that down with an almost-right rotation will get you most of the way there.

[Kytrin]

Honestly, that isn't the worst thing in the world. You need to give it a chance and practice it, but if you're finding minor parts of your rotation are losing you more than you gain it can sometimes be better to drop them. For example in SB when Hagakure was a thing, I took it off my hotbar entirely and could still hit orange. You take the 1-2% potential loss but can play much more easily so that you're 10% better than you would be otherwise. ST mouseover macros for healers are another one, it's a tiny loss over the fight but if you heal far more efficiently with no hesitations it works out a gain.

Some rotations are more rigid and can't be altered without big losses, so it takes a little figuring out whether you can fine tune your rotation for personal use. Sam's a little more rigid now Shoha has been buffed. As I mentioned earlier though, the main thing is uptime and APM (actions per minute), getting that down with an almost-right rotation will get you most of the way there.

Aye that was my logic too. I generally don't have the free time to join a raid static (mostly because I can't promise the regular hours they demand) so mostly I don't bother, or make plans with my FC in advance. I figured that if I can get it reasonably close to the intended idea though, that would be good enough for 98% of what I do and for the remaining 2% it wouldn't be a huge deal as long as I was geared decently.