The Patch 5.2 Discussion Thread! (Spoilers)

[MrThinker]

Yeah, looks like a Viera/Viis. Maybe that mural is not related to Hydaelyn at all - the party seems to be in Rak'tika there, so maybe just a depiction of how the Viis were supposed to be the Keepers of the Ronkan knowledge after the Emperor's death due to their longevity?

Or a Viis with the Echo, since everyone we know who awoke to the Echo sees the Starshower, and that mural is depicting it.

[RicaRuin]

Or a Viis with the Echo, since everyone we know who awoke to the Echo sees the Starshower, and that mural is depicting it.

Can you tell me more about the Starshower from 1.0? I'm only around since ARR, and I don't recall it ever being mentioned for non-legacy players that their characters saw it. Was it like a global event so that everyone just happened to see it? (On a side note, do we know whether Krile saw it?)

[MrThinker]

Can you tell me more about the Starshower from 1.0? I'm only around since ARR, and I don't recall it ever being mentioned for non-legacy players that their characters saw it. Was it like a global event so that everyone just happened to see it? (On a side note, do we know whether Krile saw it?)

I think Moose would be able to give a more coherent and factual answer regarding this, but in 1.0 the Starshower appeared over Silvertear Lake when people began to manifest the Echo. This would be passively retconned in 2.0 into a starshower seen in a vision when the Echo awakens in us, and while I'm not sure about Krile, I believe Arenvald early on in the ARR story recounts having a dream of falling stars before he encountered the Scions.

[Anonymoose]

Can you tell me more about the Starshower from 1.0? I'm only around since ARR, and I don't recall it ever being mentioned for non-legacy players that their characters saw it. Was it like a global event so that everyone just happened to see it? (On a side note, do we know whether Krile saw it?)

I think Moose would be able to give a more coherent and factual answer regarding this,

In 1.0, the introductory story involved you wandering around your city-state in 1572 having Echo-induced flashbacks of a significant event in 1562 which set the stage for the coming of a Calamity (which at the time was definitely not Dalamud and was probably something we'd spend the majority of the story trying to prevent - perhaps even successfully). When you first received the Echo, you had a vision of this starshower directly over you wherever you were at the time. However, somehow, one of the Echoes on your 1562 journey is an Echo within an Echo, going deeper into a memory and inadvertently dragging one of the Scions (then a member of the Circle of Knowing) with you into the vision. In 1.0, when the Echo re-created a memory, you could interact with it and things would interact with you back as if you were there - creating a historically inaccurate moment that, but one that allowed for unnoticed truths to be revealed - such as the Circle of Knowing member recognizing that you had the Echo (which would have been a plot twist, because the game never told you you were having visions, leading to a great deal of confusion in the playerbase at the time). Then, suddenly, in the 1562 vision, the sky splits over Mor Dhona and the starshower appears. Everyone in Eorzea seems to see it. But then, after that event, people started getting the Echo, and seeing a vision of that same Starshower when they got it. It seemed very significant at the time, but if it was, it was part of the story that got cut off, because for years even the dev. team has thought of the Starshower as "just that thing you see when you're chosen for the Echo." Until now.

[Noitems]

In 1.0, the introductory story involved you wandering around your city-state in 1572 having Echo-induced flashbacks of a significant event in 1562 which set the stage for the coming of a Calamity (which at the time was definitely not Dalamud and was probably something we'd spend the majority of the story trying to prevent - perhaps even successfully). When you first received the Echo, you had a vision of this starshower directly over you wherever you were at the time. However, somehow, one of the Echoes on your 1562 journey is an Echo within an Echo, going deeper into a memory and inadvertently dragging one of the Scions (then a member of the Circle of Knowing) with you into the vision. In 1.0, when the Echo re-created a memory, you could interact with it and things would interact with you back as if you were there - creating a historically inaccurate moment that, but one that allowed for unnoticed truths to be revealed - such as the Circle of Knowing member recognizing that you had the Echo (which would have been a plot twist, because the game never told you you were having visions, leading to a great deal of confusion in the playerbase at the time). Then, suddenly, in the 1562 vision, the sky splits over Mor Dhona and the starshower appears. Everyone in Eorzea seems to see it. But then, after that event, people started getting the Echo, and seeing a vision of that same Starshower when they got it. It seemed very significant at the time, but if it was, it was part of the story that got cut off, because for years even the dev. team has thought of the Starshower as "just that thing you see when you're chosen for the Echo." Until now.

That raises a really interesting question. Could the Scions (and those we see in that cutscene) potentially unlock some form of the echo from that sight? I'd assume since the Scions are still stuck and while the Exarch has made some progress on what to do about getting them back to the Source, I feel this could be the same. Also if Zenos is pictured in Amaurot we know that even an artificial echo could allow you to travel to different shards as well.