FFXIV Devs: Please STOP punishing normal players for others breaking the rules.

[RyuDragnier]

So, you think the playerbase is being punished when we get 3 more markers to put down (meaning 8 total) and we can save presets? Legit question, how often do you actually reset waymarks for fights? Because outside of a few exceptions (Ultimate battle instances), I can't think of any.

[Schan]

People are talking about moving markers for a key early mechanic in Unending Coil of Bahamut. The first Ultimate raid that came out two years ago. The one raid that is still considered the absolute hardest content in the game, and that SE is adamant on never allowing players to unsync it.

so are they punishing the 97% of the players or the 1% that does Ultimate then? and still it's 2 years old now. We're not talking about current daily content the playerbase goes through now are we?

edit: people are just blowing things out of proportion... yet again. No wonder Yoshi P has decided not to share job adjustments with the community before it comes out anymore

[Nandrolone]

Just be thankful that they didn't scrap the markers entirely from the game XD

Also with around here so many threads saying that everyone should want to become better at the game, and that FF14 is way too easy, you would think that people would welcome a little difficulty spike instead of complaining about it.

That’s not a difficulty spike in my opinion. I believe it’s just a matter of a few developers (or one) getting a bit triggered over seeing a few japanese players abuse the waymarkers and troll with them, and decided to make it a petty removal.

To me, a difficulty spike is something like Expert recipes in 5.21. A difficulty spike isn’t: adding a retainer under-cut Timer because a few players pissed you off with frequent undercutting. That’s what I get from this. Straight pettiness.

[SaitoHikari]

so are they punishing the 97% of the players or the 1% that does Ultimate then? and still it's 2 years old now. We're not talking about current daily content the playerbase goes through now are we?

edit: people are just blowing things out of proportion... yet again. No wonder Yoshi P has decided not to share job adjustments with the community anymore before it comes out.

Hm, it sounds like we're in agreement that this is a stupid change, since all I'm saying that there's one mechanic in UCoB where the difficulty just spiked with this change.

Honestly, a better compromise would have been the ability to still place them during a fight, but you can't move them mid-fight without using the presets.

But still, if SE is going this far to rightfully kill the third party app that automatically places preset markers and replacing it with their own system, what reason is there to still restrict marker placement mid-fight anyway if they already made their own freaking system that won't require a third party app?

[QT_Melon]

@OP


Really? we're going to complain bc something that had use in one of the coils once 5 years ago?

Do you realize how ridiculous you people sound?

You do know What ULTIMATE COIL and ULTIMATE ALEXANDER are?

[Divinemights]

This is so interesting...
People are complaining this game being "esay" when they are using various of 3rd party tools to help them beat a raid...

[Schan]

You do know What ULTIMATE COIL and ULTIMATE ALEXANDER are?

Yes I do now. I missed the Ultimate bit. Do you know what

You're punishing 97% of the player base ...

is though?

I can tell you this. That's not the percentage of the playerbase that do Ultimates.

Hm, it sounds like we're in agreement that this is a stupid change, since all I'm saying that there's one mechanic in UCoB where the difficulty just spiked with this change.

Honestly, a better compromise would have been the ability to still place them during a fight, but you can't move them mid-fight without using the presets.

But still, if SE is going this far to rightfully kill the third party app that automatically places preset markers and replacing it with their own system, what reason is there to still restrict marker placement mid-fight anyway if they already made their own freaking system that won't require a third party app?

Might be temporary to see if it works properly or they are designing fights where you won't really have time to do it anyway so it might not be much of a change. Also we disagree. I don't see how this affects people as much as they are claiming that it will.

[SaitoHikari]

Also we disagree. I don't see how this affects people as much as they are claiming that it will.

ffs, just because it doesn't affect you personally doesn't mean it's not a legitimate issue worth arguing about. Not everything needs to affect 100% of the playerbase for the devs to consider it an issue. Otherwise, we wouldn't even be in this position in the first place, and half the problems this game has had over the years wouldn't have been addressed.

[Schan]

ffs, just because it doesn't affect you personally doesn't mean it's not a legitimate issue worth arguing about. Not everything needs to affect 100% of the playerbase for the devs to consider it an issue. Otherwise, we wouldn't even be in this position in the first place, and half the problems this game has had over the years wouldn't have been addressed.

and what makes you say it doesn't affect me personally? I'm arguing against the hyperbolic statements the OP has laid out. Will it be annoying for the people who do Ultimate bcause it's now an incovenience? definetely but are you also telling me the markers were what made or break you clearing the Ultimate? then i'm sorry but you need to get good.

[Billythepancake]

This is so interesting...
People are complaining this game being "esay" when they are using various of 3rd party tools to help them beat a raid...

There is a difference between genuine challenge and unfair BS. The worst way you can force difficulty is by removing control and removing player options. Like, what if to up challenge they just decided to make the screen completely black for a mechanic and if you screwed up you died? Sure it's harder now, but that's not a fun but fair challenge, that's just horsesh**