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[NanaWiloh]

I think someone has the same idea as me when I started crafting back in 2013. You really reminded me of my hype about my favorite game of crafting.

Currently, crafting is really on the easy end of the spectrum... I mean, I am just using all my white gear (i430), and is macroing all the hardest recipe in game. It is boring, and I can't even get the incentive to craft one facet gear since I don't need it. But they did promise us more challenges in 5.2. We shall see about that. I hope that'll give me the kick I need to submerge myself in my crafting game again.

Got a feeling your choice to not craft Facter gear is going to come back to bite you hard when 5.2 drops. The expert recipes without a doubt will not be aimed at someone in i430 as the would kinda of be going backwards, I will not be surprised if 3 star gear is needed to start working on expert recipes.

[Kytrin]

Got a feeling your choice to not craft Facter gear is going to come back to bite you hard when 5.2 drops. The expert recipes without a doubt will not be aimed at someone in i430 as the would kinda of be going backwards, I will not be surprised if 3 star gear is needed to start working on expert recipes.

I completely agree that we'll need the new sets before we can do the new recipes, but I'd say there's a moderate chance that a 430 crafter could probably squeak out the new set if they had really good food, melds, and all HQ mats. I remember sweating my way through that in HW and SB when upgrading that first time after hitting 60/70. Of course, with the changes going on it's all up in the air and I could be totally wrong lol, but if all else fails a person can craft a Facet piece or two and meld it to give them the bump needed to get the first piece or two of the new gear. It'd be crafting and melding one thing at a time instead of all at once, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

[Frizze]

Got a feeling your choice to not craft Facter gear is going to come back to bite you hard when 5.2 drops. The expert recipes without a doubt will not be aimed at someone in i430 as the would kinda of be going backwards, I will not be surprised if 3 star gear is needed to start working on expert recipes.

You might be right, but i have a feeling that Caimie of all people would be able to adjust. Either by HQing more sub-combines, or by cranking out a few quick pieces of facet gear to meet the stat threshholds, or whatever other solution might be viable. She is the one who wrote the crafting guide that most of us read afterall.

[Liam_Harper]

Got a feeling your choice to not craft Facter gear is going to come back to bite you hard when 5.2 drops. The expert recipes without a doubt will not be aimed at someone in i430 as the would kinda of be going backwards, I will not be surprised if 3 star gear is needed to start working on expert recipes.

I doubt it. Any decent crafter, like Camie, could throw a full Facet set together in a day if they needed it and wanted to. I'm confident we'll have macros for the 3 star DoW/DoM set on day one because the toolkit doesn't allow for much variance and is tunneled into a version of Reflect-Manip-Ingen-Inno-Delicate Synths-Finisher. If we're following current trend, we won't even need an overmelded Facet set and prices will crash before even a week is over anyway. That's why we have less motivation, why bother putting in extra effort when it gives no reward? What are you missing out on?

Everything is riding on these "Expert" recipes.

[NanaWiloh]

I doubt it. Any decent crafter, like Camie, could throw a full Facet set together in a day if they needed it and wanted to. I'm confident we'll have macros for the 3 star DoW/DoM set on day one because the toolkit doesn't allow for much variance and is tunneled into a version of Reflect-Manip-Ingen-Inno-Delicate Synths-Finisher. If we're following current trend, we won't even need an overmelded Facet set and prices will crash before even a week is over anyway. That's why we have less motivation, why bother putting in extra effort when it gives no reward? What are you missing out on?

Everything is riding on these "Expert" recipes.

What reward are you after gil?? Gil is easy too get and hard to get rid of not much of a reward. High stat tools? Well your own post just pointed out how useless they are currently, as their not being pushed to their limit. Seen more then my share of hardcore crafters say mounts, titles and glams are not a good enough reward. Starting to think the hardcore community does not have a bloody clue what it wants reward wise. One moment its gil, then its high stat gear, then its just the achievement of completing a hard craft. Do you guys have any clue what you want exactly? For me the reward is knowing I dont need others to craft any craftable item I may want.

I am going to take a guess and say what hardcore crafters really want is fame and notoriety. To have a small hand full of crafters on each server who stand at the top with slobbering masses at their feet. But your finding that achievements, tools,mounts,glam's,gil and even the coming leader boards just dont give you that.

[Nandrolone]

I am going to take a guess and say what hardcore crafters really want is fame and notoriety. To have a small hand full of crafters on each server who stand at the top with slobbering masses at their feet. But your finding that achievements, tools,mounts,glam's,gil and even the coming leader boards just dont give you that.

That’s not correct at all, but let’s assume you’re right for a sec. Assuming you’re right, how exactly does someone choosing to play the game that way in any way shape or form affect you in the game? What gives you the right to, essentially remove, someone’s playstyle and how they enjoy the game? Can you answer me that?

Also, this is another reason why the crafting community in FFXIV is just straight garbage now. Half the time it’s hardcore and casual players going at each other’s throats. Half the time, it’s people asking for macros. It never used to be like this at all, it’s really sad.

Hardcore players make valid points = There’s still loads of players that want to argue just for the sake of arguing, not interested in a conclusion

Casual players make valid points = Will agree with them, but still want to argue, and make everything about them. It’s like some casual players aren’t interested in a conclusion, just arguing and being one-sided and/or trolling.

Sorry but someone had to say it.

[NanaWiloh]

That’s not correct at all, but let’s assume you’re right for a sec. Assuming you’re right, how exactly does someone choosing to play the game that way in any way shape or form affect you in the game? What gives you the right to, essentially remove, someone’s playstyle and how they enjoy the game? Can you answer me that?

Also, this is another reason why the crafting community in FFXIV is just straight garbage now. Half the time it’s hardcore and casual players going at each other’s throats. Half the time, it’s people asking for macros. It never used to be like this at all, it’s really sad.

Hardcore players make valid points = There’s still loads of players that want to argue just for the sake of arguing, not interested in a conclusion

Casual players make valid points = Will agree with them, but still want to argue, and make everything about them. It’s like some casual players aren’t interested in a conclusion, just arguing and being one-sided and/or trolling.

Sorry but someone had to say it.

Not attacking anyone and read my entire post so you dont waste my time. Your reaction to my post and the hardcore communities reaction to what SE is giving reward wise is points too you wanting just what I said. Causal community and SE know you want a challenge their trying to give it to you. But it when it comes to rewards, what their offering is not good by the way hardcore crafters are acting. Dont like guesses then say exactly what the hardcore community wants as rewards or stop complaining!! Its constant the whinning that rewards are not good enough and that your not being challenged that irks the causal community, especially when SE is trying to appease you.

[Nandrolone]

Not attacking anyone and read my entire post so you dont waste my time. Your reaction to my post and the hardcore communities reaction to what SE is giving reward wise is points too you wanting just what I said. Causal community and SE know you want a challenge their trying to give it to you. But it when it comes to rewards, what their offering is not good by the way hardcore crafters are acting. Dont like guesses then say exactly what the hardcore community wants as rewards or stop complaining!! Its constant the whinning that rewards are not good enough and that your not being challenged that irks the causal community, especially when SE is trying to appease you.

Oh, I apologize. If I’m wasting your time, you are welcome to not respond. I’m just trying to understand. Also, we have made it very clear what rewards we would like to have, that was kind of a redundant statement. Do you really need me to link all threads and posts? Come on, lol. Also, you didn’t answer me. I asked you: assuming you’re right about hardcore players wanting things to be a “5%” endgame groupie thing, how does that in any way shape or form affect you as a player in FFXIV? How does that hinder you from participating in dungeons, raids, gathering, or crafting? Why does that have to be removed from the game? Because it angers you? Let’s start there.

[NanaWiloh]

Oh, I apologize. If I’m wasting your time, you are welcome to not respond. I’m just trying to understand. Also, we have made it very clear what rewards we would like to have, that was kind of a redundant statement. Do you really need me to link all threads and posts? Come on, lol. Also, you didn’t answer me. I asked you: assuming you’re right about hardcore players wanting things to be a “5%” endgame groupie thing, how does that in any way shape or form affect you as a player in FFXIV? How does that hinder you from participating in dungeons, raids, gathering, or crafting? Why does that have to be removed from the game? Because it angers you? Let’s start there.

Not answering the question cause it was not what I was addressing. I am well aware of the rewards everyones asked for and there lays the isssue...people are still complaining about rewards. SE is giving you skytools, leaderboards,titles, possibly mounts and transmogs who's knows what else. So your getting your High stat cool looking tools, your status symbols and ways to make gil, but yet you are still throwing a fuss!!!

[Caimie_Tsukino]

Got a feeling your choice to not craft Facter gear is going to come back to bite you hard when 5.2 drops. The expert recipes without a doubt will not be aimed at someone in i430 as the would kinda of be going backwards, I will not be surprised if 3 star gear is needed to start working on expert recipes.

Well, I certainly hope it bites me back! That may give me that kick I need to get back to work on this! I have all the raw mats and materia VII and VIII lying around in retainer. I just have no incentive to make them. But if I need them, I'll finish the whole set with melds in a day. So no worries, I'm not stupid enough to start gathering mats for facet gear in 5.2 when their prices go sky high. I do hope that the ingots/lumbers will be synthesized in DOUBLED with the same amount of raw mats though when 5.2 comes. Isn't that how it was in Stormblood?

However, I do plan to take on the 5.2 recipes on my white gear first (if recipe minimum stats allows it). This will give me some challenges and fun.

You might be right, but i have a feeling that Caimie of all people would be able to adjust. Either by HQing more sub-combines, or by cranking out a few quick pieces of facet gear to meet the stat threshholds, or whatever other solution might be viable. She is the one who wrote the crafting guide that most of us read afterall.

That is actually the plan... If I do need a bit more stats, I'll squeeze it out of somewhere, like a piece or two of facet! I know I can!

I doubt it. Any decent crafter, like Camie, could throw a full Facet set together in a day if they needed it and wanted to. I'm confident we'll have macros for the 3 star DoW/DoM set on day one because the toolkit doesn't allow for much variance and is tunneled into a version of Reflect-Manip-Ingen-Inno-Delicate Synths-Finisher. If we're following current trend, we won't even need an overmelded Facet set and prices will crash before even a week is over anyway. That's why we have less motivation, why bother putting in extra effort when it gives no reward? What are you missing out on?

Everything is riding on these "Expert" recipes.

You're right too. If I need a full facet set, I'll get a full facet set with full melds within a day. I am fully prepared. But for now, I'll take on whatever comes at me in 5.2 with my white gear!