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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdb View Post
    Copied factory is one of the hardest, if not the hardest alliance raid so far mechanics-wise.
    Really? I thought that was Ivalice. Esp since even on week one it was not uncommon to have a wipe-free Copied Factory run, while in Ivalice it was common to wipe repeatedly even weeks out of launch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWho2010 View Post
    wow what an extremely subjective statement. but opinions are opinions are like.... you know. everyone smells.
    Yet it only smells, when you dare to criticize, even if that is meant well.

    Frankly, this game could do with some fair critiquing, because, as I said, Yoshida has been living in an echo chamber far too long and any descent is cut off. This is why we cant ask any real questions during interviews or live letters and critical reviews are usually buried. It's not because the game doesn't have flaws, its because SE and a very staunch part of the community, won't let it be known. I made the smallest comment about not liking something on reddit, just literally said "I can appreciate its design, but I do not like it from a personal design style pov" and was downvoted into oblivion. This is why everything is perceived as sunshine and lollipops.
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    Last edited by AnimaAnimus; 12-29-2019 at 12:44 AM.

  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adeacia View Post
    You people are just mad that you won't be able to make tons of gil as easy since there will be a lot more items on the market.
    This right here is exactly why I don’t post here anymore lol. All people do in this game’s crafting community, is ask for macros, argue over casual vs hardcore crafting, swear to their grave that RNG =/= challenge, and witch hunt anyone who actually enjoyed earning a lot of gil. (I know, it’s so horrible someone likes playing the game that way. Those monsters.)

    The crafting community has really become a joke since 4.0 started, and 5.1 just made it worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus View Post
    Yet it only smells, when you dare to criticize, even if that is meant well.

    Frankly, this game could do with some fair critiquing, because, as I said, Yoshida has been living in an echo chamber far too long and any descent is cut off. This is why we cant ask any real questions during interviews or live letters and critical reviews are usually buried. It's not because the game doesn't have flaws, its because SE and a very staunch part of the community, won't let it be known. I made the smallest comment about not liking something on reddit, just literally said "I can appreciate its design, but I do not like it from a personal design style pov" and was downvoted into oblivion. This is why everything is perceived as sunshine and lollipops.
    Although I agree with you, a game’s community is represented by its developers efforts. If a community behaves a certain way, it’s mostly due to its developers and actions taken. For example, second life has a toxic community, and that is because the developers and GMs there are toxic themselves. (I would know, as I have actually met a second life developer in person. They were quite rude.) Anyways, I’m not a fan of Yoshida at all, and hopefully the next mmo has nothing to do with him. Otherwise, the community will more or less be the same, with the same low-effort game mechanics. The whole “our creator can do no wrong” brain washing-type community is something you can’t do anything about. I would recommend playing a different game, that’s what I’m doing, just kind of playing until my sub runs out. Wake me up when a better, less casual-bias director , creates a new mmo...
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  4. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus View Post
    Really? I thought that was Ivalice. Esp since even on week one it was not uncommon to have a wipe-free Copied Factory run, while in Ivalice it was common to wipe repeatedly even weeks out of launch.
    True, there's rarely a full wipe in Copied Factory, but people keep dying left and right. I don't recall having to do quite as much raising in any of the Ivalice raids. I guess Copied Factory is more forgiving to the mistakes of individual players though; Ivalice has several mechanics where a single misplaced mechanic can cause a wipe. So maybe they're just different kinds of hard.
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    I couldn't have said it better myself Nandrolone.
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  6. #26
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    Fu Soya
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    Again, I think they did make crafting a little too easy now. I didnt like how long it took before (at least for me) as I was stuck in the 40 to 50 slog for goldsmithing, but now it seems tweaked a little too much.
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  7. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nandrolone View Post
    This right here is exactly why I don’t post here anymore lol. All people do in this game’s crafting community, is ask for macros, argue over casual vs hardcore crafting, swear to their grave that RNG =/= challenge, and witch hunt anyone who actually enjoyed earning a lot of gil. (I know, it’s so horrible someone likes playing the game that way. Those monsters.)

    The crafting community has really become a joke since 4.0 started, and 5.1 just made it worse.



    Although I agree with you, a game’s community is represented by its developers efforts. If a community behaves a certain way, it’s mostly due to its developers and actions taken. For example, second life has a toxic community, and that is because the developers and GMs there are toxic themselves. (I would know, as I have actually met a second life developer in person. They were quite rude.) Anyways, I’m not a fan of Yoshida at all, and hopefully the next mmo has nothing to do with him. Otherwise, the community will more or less be the same, with the same low-effort game mechanics. The whole “our creator can do no wrong” brain washing-type community is something you can’t do anything about. I would recommend playing a different game, that’s what I’m doing, just kind of playing until my sub runs out. Wake me up when a better, less casual-bias director , creates a new mmo...
    Pantheon rise of the fallen, hardcore mmo that is in the works. When I say hardcore I mean hardcore you wont be doing anything by your lonesome or easily. Crafting will be a community thing so you want to be wealthy be ready to dedicate your game time to getting there. Want to raid..well better plan to spend 4-5 hours a couple days out of the week or you wont be raiding. Grouping will be the name of the game and soloing will be few and far between.
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  8. #28
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    K'rina Sato
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    *munches popcorn and watches the thread unfold*

    Don't mind me. I'm just watching the debate. ^_^
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  9. #29
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    Alijana Tumet
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    As easy as crafting/gathering are to level now, the economy seems about as barren as ever on my server with the same few individuals (Who are mostly bot farmers) waging a constant undercut war. It always becomes more lively after a new patch drops and there's high demand for the new items, but eventually degrades into its current state again. I think if anything, the easier crafting just means more people are going to make their own gear as opposed to actually getting involved with the market.

    When everyone can craft everything so easily it makes for a stagnant market.
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    Dal S'ta
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus View Post
    Frankly, this game could do with some fair critiquing, because, as I said <snip> ... I made the smallest comment about not liking something on reddit <snip> ... why everything is perceived as sunshine and lollipops.
    I dunno. Over the past 5 years I've seen a fair amount of 'critiquing' in these forums and on other forums as well. Well, 'complaining' and 'demanding' actually. When it's not too off-base, some of that gets designed into the game.

    Sorry to hear that reddit forums, with their great propensity to downvote most everything, didn't take to your comments from your own "personal design style pov". I assume you are a game developer or artist or some other job where you've actually designed something in a game, and were calm and collected in your remarks. Or not. It's so hard to tell on that particular forum.

    Imagine the chaos here if downvotes were possible. Then realize why SE doesn't do that sort of thing.
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