Crafter and Gatherer jump potions

[DPZ2]

Pantheon rise of the fallen, hardcore mmo that is in the works.

Looks like any number of other 'hardcore mmo' games. I would assume they can pull it off in much the same way that their chief creative officer did for EverQuest ... if you enjoyed that game, you might like this one. What is worrying is that they've been at this for five years now, and are still in pre-alpha. And their chief creative officer passed away this year. Unless it takes off in a massive way, one may find that it, like many crowdfunded offerings, is great on release and then withers and dies when subscription rates can't pay for continuing developer time.

I wish you joy in your new endeavor.

[NanaWiloh]

Looks like any number of other 'hardcore mmo' games. I would assume they can pull it off in much the same way that their chief creative officer did for EverQuest ... if you enjoyed that game, you might like this one. What is worrying is that they've been at this for five years now, and are still in pre-alpha. And their chief creative officer passed away this year. Unless it takes off in a massive way, one may find that it, like many crowdfunded offerings, is great on release and then withers and dies when subscription rates can't pay for continuing developer time.

I wish you joy in your new endeavor.

I have no intention of playing it just mentioned since there are people who want something harder.

[AnimaAnimus]

Looks like any number of other 'hardcore mmo' games. I would assume they can pull it off in much the same way that their chief creative officer did for EverQuest ... if you enjoyed that game, you might like this one. What is worrying is that they've been at this for five years now, and are still in pre-alpha. And their chief creative officer passed away this year. Unless it takes off in a massive way, one may find that it, like many crowdfunded offerings, is great on release and then withers and dies when subscription rates can't pay for continuing developer time.

I wish you joy in your new endeavor.

They have a super small team, and Brad's passing has not effected anything. They actually started doing bi-weekly play throughs and developer streams. It will be something new yet old and but different from what we have today and they are not expecting a super large, wow-killing player base size. It's being designed with the idea that it will be a niche game as they are not catering to the "gimme gimme right now" crowd. No cash shop, no boosts, etc. So that at least gives them a better chance than most games who want to be HUGE out of the game, (eg: ashes of creation).

But writing off small games immediately because they are small/indie games, is why they struggle.

[Gemina]

Really? I thought that was Ivalice. Esp since even on week one it was not uncommon to have a wipe-free Copied Factory run, while in Ivalice it was common to wipe repeatedly even weeks out of launch.

I would compare Copied Factory to Rabanastre if we want to use any of the Ivalice Raids. Full wipes after the first week were rare as well. I would highly expect the third Nier Raid to be a total wipe fest when we get it late ShB just like Cid... er, I mean Orbonne in SB. I also wouldn't use full wipes but rather individual KOs to determine how much mechanics are being failed. One alliance being down, or too many KOd players during the DPS checks is typically what causes full on wipes. Even when the later Nier raids come out and mechanics become more punishing, it just isn't plausible to gauge the difficulty of it when very few players can screw things up for the whole raid.

[Frizze]

I would compare Copied Factory to Rabanastre if we want to use any of the Ivalice Raids. Full wipes after the first week were rare as well. I would highly expect the third Nier Raid to be a total wipe fest when we get it late ShB just like Cid... er, I mean Orbonne in SB. I also wouldn't use full wipes but rather individual KOs to determine how much mechanics are being failed. One alliance being down, or too many KOd players during the DPS checks is typically what causes full on wipes. Even when the later Nier raids come out and mechanics become more punishing, it just isn't plausible to gauge the difficulty of it when very few players can screw things up for the whole raid.

This wasnt quite my experience for rabanasty. Now i havent run CF as many times(yet) as i eventually did for raba, but i have yet to see an actual wipe to any CF fight(ive seen some very slow wins while half or more of an alliance was taking a nap, but no total wipes). I saw at least a handful of wipes to each boss in raba, plus however many runs that vote abandoned and never cleared. A few of the attacks feel like they were tuned a little higher relative to the base ilvl, a few of them felt like they came out in quicker succession(or if not quicker, maybe more dangerous attacks back to back? - admittedly quick sequences with recovery periods in between seems to be the current model), and for whatever reason add phases seemed more dangerous back then(the only add phase i never saw wipe a raba party was the one for the final boss).

Now for all this "back in the day" talk, im not saying i thought raba was too difficult(if anything, the CF run feels a little too easy). Most parties i ended up in were perfectly capable of clearing. I knew all the mechanics and could do them without issue long before the runs started to clear consistently without hassle. But i also remember for a lot longer then a month that i never thought a run was in the bag until we cleared hashbrowns. Get past him? You got this(even though a slow to react group could still mess up the rofo add phase or maybe the meteors in the final boss). Until that fight was over? All bets were off.

[deadman1204]

jump potion for alchemists? What about rocket boots!

[JWag12787]

I mean, nowadays, it's not really needed. GC turnings are almost 1-2 levels a day with HQ items. Gathering, especially low level, is very quick. (I'm still fishing anchovies on my alt and I gained 9 levels after like 5 fish).


Combat classes are simple, but they don't directly impact the market like crafters/gatherers, so I can understand why they would when DoH/DoL do not.

[Missbone]

I still miss the instant kill button for raid bosses :/
Plz let me buy a potion that enables the instant kill button so i can use my free time for things that are fun again.

[Maero]

Next month Ishgard Restoration will have gatherers involved. For crafting the xp was stupid good so i imagine will be the same for gathering.
I may finally get my fisher past 50, lol

[kujoestars]

I definitely understand the resentment from everyone who's leveled DoH/DoL classes before the updated system (which definitely seemed a lot more tedious); it can be pretty annoying when you see people griping about how hard something is when it's been much simplified from what it was before and made easier to accomplish.

I can't really comment on much myself since I joined after the changes, but personally I like the crafting system a lot. It feels way more engaging that WoW's ever was, and it's always so satisfying when you manage to nail HQ. It feels almost like you're actually crafting something (WVR in particular has a special place to me as someone who really enjoys weaving irl; so relaxing!).

I'm just sad I only have so much time to spend on this game or I'd be leveling my crafting/gathering alongside story progression. As for me, once I max out crafting, I will still happily be putting those skills to use simply because it's fun. I kind of wish sometimes I joined sooner to see how things used to be, but maybe it wouldn't have felt as accessible so who knows? All I know is I love everything this game has to offer and I'm sure many feel the same way (especially fellow WoW refugees).