Mediocrity should NOT be the standard for players in any content.

[Kleeya]

I'm not fine with it in ex/savage. If you are parsing grey in those environments you're actually not really clearing the content. Other players are carrying you and clearing it for you. Carrying happens in normal mode too but the burden of doing so in ex/savage is usually significantly higher. It's not fair to put players in this position.

That's false. You can be grey and not being carried, doing what is expected of you. Because the pretty colors on fflogs are percentage based theyre will always be grey people, no matter how skilled the community as become. If everyone without exception become super good at the game, and deal a bare minimum of 15k dps while the the best ones does 17k, are you really gonna say "booooo boooo how can you deal only 15k ? Are you only auto attacking ? Please go learn your rotation and what a 1-2-3 combo is !" ?

There is a difference between a grey parser who do know his rotation, is doing mechanics correctly, but can not have a high ranking because he has not the best stuff available on this job yet, and a grey parser who only spam jolt 2 as a red mage. And i am not even talking of cases where you get low parses because the healers keep dying or dpsing too much, getting other players killed in the process, or the other team members fleeing you and letting you die when you get a stack marker.

Dont look only at the pretty colors, after all one of the argument in favor of fflogs is supposed to be "but people dont look only at that ! They are analyzing extensively what did happen in a fight before judging you !".

[Valic]

That's false. You can be grey and not being carried, doing what is expected of you. Because the pretty colors on fflogs are percentage based theyre will always be grey people, no matter how skilled the community as become. If everyone without exception become super good at the game, and deal a bare minimum of 15k dps while the the best ones does 17k, are you really gonna say "booooo boooo how can you deal only 15k ? Are you only auto attacking ? Please go learn your rotation and what a 1-2-3 combo is !" ?

There is a difference between a grey parser who do know his rotation, is doing mechanics correctly, but can not have a high ranking because he has not the best stuff available on this job yet, and a grey parser who only spam jolt 2 as a red mage. And i am not even talking of cases where you get low parses because the healers keep dying or dpsing too much, getting other players killed in the process, or the other team members fleeing you and letting you die when you get a stack marker.

Dont look only at the pretty colors, after all one of the argument in favor of fflogs is supposed to be "but people dont look only at that ! They are analyzing extensively what did happen in a fight before judging you !".

THIS.

Parse should also not be the identifier for who does what well. There's also the fact that not everyone who has a parse, are people who actively parse. There's plenty of people out there that may be doing better than most and hey, no one will ever know \o/

[xxvaynxx]

THIS.

Parse should also not be the identifier for who does what well. There's also the fact that not everyone who has a parse, are people who actively parse. There's plenty of people out there that may be doing better than most and hey, no one will ever know \o/

So your problem is people being mediocre but you're ok with people getting grey parses?
Got it.

I'll keep doing the bare minimum at my job!

[hasana]

So your problem is people being mediocre but you're ok with people getting grey parses?
Got it.

I'll keep doing the bare minimum at my job!

A player struggling and getting a grey parse because he is not a good player is ok.
A player getting grey parse because chill dude its just a game I'm having fun just pressing Jolt and why are you complaining boss died lol is not.

[Valic]

A player struggling and getting a grey parse because he is not a good player is ok.
A player getting grey parse because chill dude its just a game I'm having fun just pressing Jolt and why are you complaining boss died lol is not.

THIS. I love how people bring parse into it thinking it's the end all be all without this preface.

*snip

At this point, I'm ignoring your post after the first line of it acknowledging you're just a troll. Post something worth giving a damn.

[xxvaynxx]

THIS. I love how people bring parse into it thinking it's the end all be all without this preface.

But if you're a raider.
If you have a bunch of grey parses and you tell someone "oh its because I died a lot/healer keeps letting me die!/tank died so I died next!" nobody serious is gonna take their chances with a grey to green parser or even low blue if you have a lot of them.
Mayhaps if you have enough 75% or higher percentile to back up those claims anyway, which most don't with those excuses.

If you know how to do mechs but still doing sub optimal dps, you won't be getting into any good statics. Because by your logic, that's being mediocre/bad!

[Valic]

Nah. You're ignoring it because I called you out for attacking me as your main form of discussion, and everyone else for that matter. Which is fine. Again, you do you. But, when all you have is bad experiences, you should really start looking within yourself. <3

Nah I'm ignoring you because you're snarky and wanting to cause drama rather than post something constructive to this thread. Go elsewhere troll.

If that is the case, then why is the clear rate higher in Japan than here in more difficult content?

Because Japan's nature as a community is what gets players to pass. Not the meta, not the job classes. The community.

The subscriber bases is higher however, OUTSIDE of Japan and mostly the US.

The clear rates are lower, sell groups are a thing (and for various reasons left to another topic that's been done to death). It's lot of discussions about the color of the parse, or the "meta"

Does Japan have these discussions? Yes to a degree, and they also have issues with certain content etc.

But their community seems to pass higher content just fine.

The player base however is increasing and as a company they'd be stupid not to cater to the majority of where the money is coming from.

Forcing the content to be more difficult didn't solve the problem back then and isn't solving it now. This is why I stand to say again this is a community issue. They can only police that to a degree.

Finally someone using logic... You're right but couldn't it still be said that SE should be encouraging behaviors to learn rather than encouraging not having to try by making things like hall of novice mandatory and providing content that demands use of specific skills from your job? And ya know... not offering not just "easy" for solo instances, but "VERY easy" as well?...

[QT_Melon]

So your problem is people being mediocre but you're ok with people getting grey parses?
Got it.

I'll keep doing the bare minimum at my job!

I think people really REALLY need to understand how FFLogs work before using this as an example.

This is exactly why I feel it's more of a community problem than Devs

People who don't understand how FFLogs work using the worst example and understanding of it.
Then we already had someone do the very much OVERUSED and just getting old "You don't pay my sub" when there's really BARELY anyone who says that at all.