Am I missing something, or are Dark Knights just terrible?

[Alaeacus]

I don’t think it’s wrong to say you should be rewarded for completing a more complicated rotation with higher dps. Unfortunately all the complexity has been drained away and current tanks vary only slightly.

There is nothing wrong with this. Unfortunately the DPS increase is incredibly miniscule. So basically as a DRK you're managing these extra resources just for the "fun" of it, with very little tangible gain when compared to the overall toolkit of other tanks.

One thing I NEVER see anyone mention. Every time I waver and decide that DRK will be my new main tank, there is one annoying factor that always infuriates me: the fact that I have to have an enemy tab targeted in order to do my AOE skills. Why? I'm in the middle of a pack spamming AOE combos and DPS kills the enemy I am targeting. All of a sudden my AOE skills cease to function unless I tab target a new enemy. This is jarring as hell. As PLD, I don't need to have anything targeted to do an AOE skill. I just Spin-to-Win.

Am I the only person who has noticed this?

[Malmstrom]

Am I the only person who has noticed this?

Probably, since Unleash and Stalwart Soul don't require a target. Not sure what your issue is. Don't think you need one for Quietus, either, although I could be wrong. On an alt that doesn't have DRK leveled at the moment. Flood of Shadow definitely, though.

[shao32]

I don’t think it’s wrong to say you should be rewarded for completing a more complicated rotation with higher dps. Unfortunately all the complexity has been drained away and current tanks vary only slightly.

mmm no i don't say it's a wrong thing, im more saying that SE interprets this to be something like "it's to complex for what they do, make it more simple" or something like that based on how they dumped down DRK gameplay this expansion. in resume im a bit skeptical when someones mix "having to do to much" with job performance independent if they are actually complaying about the gameplay or just the numbers since the way it's sounds can be missinterpreted when you can simply say DRK needs to do a bit more without mention the number of buttons you have to press.

There is nothing wrong with this. Unfortunately the DPS increase is incredibly miniscule. So basically as a DRK you're managing these extra resources just for the "fun" of it, with very little tangible gain when compared to the overall toolkit of other tanks.

One thing I NEVER see anyone mention. Every time I waver and decide that DRK will be my new main tank, there is one annoying factor that always infuriates me: the fact that I have to have an enemy tab targeted in order to do my AOE skills. Why? I'm in the middle of a pack spamming AOE combos and DPS kills the enemy I am targeting. All of a sudden my AOE skills cease to function unless I tab target a new enemy. This is jarring as hell. As PLD, I don't need to have anything targeted to do an AOE skill. I just Spin-to-Win.

Am I the only person who has noticed this?

unleash, slatwart soul, salted earth and quietus don't need target to be used properly, only flood and abyssal drain need one so it's imposible all your aoes skills stop working.

[Danelo]

It seems we are speaking past each other. Not sure if I phrased something wrong. I agree with your last response to me.

[Alaeacus]

Probably, since Unleash and Stalwart Soul don't require a target. Not sure what your issue is. Don't think you need one for Quietus, either, although I could be wrong. On an alt that doesn't have DRK leveled at the moment. Flood of Shadow definitely, though.

unleash, slatwart soul, salted earth and quietus don't need target to be used properly, only flood and abyssal drain need one so it's imposible all your aoes skills stop working.

I don't know what's happening than. Maybe it's solely Flood of Darkness that is killing my combo than. Flood is supposed to be the multi-target darkness gauge refiller, and I NEED to use it during my AOE combos if my gauge is getting low, but if I have no enemy tab-targeted, my combo stops cold and skill up-time screws up.

Still, I don't even have to worry about this type of thing with PLD, as that job doesn't even have that extra resource to begin with. Less headache by default.

[ReiMakoto]

I don't know what's happening than. Maybe it's solely Flood of Darkness that is killing my combo than. Flood is supposed to be the multi-target darkness gauge refiller, and I NEED to use it during my AOE combos if my gauge is getting low, but if I have no enemy tab-targeted, my combo stops cold and skill up-time screws up.

Still, I don't even have to worry about this type of thing with PLD, as that job doesn't even have that extra resource to begin with. Less headache by default.

I dont think you understand how drk works?

Unleash and Stalward soul are essentially identical to Total Eciplse and Prominence on pld,

Flood of Shadow Costs MP and gives you the darkside buff, (doesnt fill a gauge), its also an OGCD so its used between unleash and stalward

Abyssal Drain is an AOE ogcd cooldown

Quietus is and aoe blood gauge spender

[Alaeacus]

Flood of Shadow Costs MP and gives you the darkside buff, (doesnt fill a gauge)

Quietus is and aoe blood gauge spender

Lol. Why are you arguing semantics?

gauge

/ɡāj/

noun
1. an instrument or device for measuring the magnitude, amount, or contents of something, typically with a visual display of such information.

Darkside buff is a gauge counting from 0 - 60. It is a "gauge" simply because it numerically measures contents of a bucket. You implied that I don't know how DRK works, but your only retort is that the Darkside buff is not a gauge? The rest of the skill descriptions you rattled off are just info other people in the thread already shared with me. Thanks for playing though.

Edit: This well-known website right here Dark Knight Job Guide
LITERALLY calls it a "Darkside Gauge". So yeah, quit making things up just because you want to argue.

[ReiMakoto]

Lol. Why are you arguing semantics?



Darkside buff is a gauge counting from 0 - 60. It is a "gauge" simply because it numerically measures contents of a bucket. You implied that I don't know how DRK works, but your only retort is that the Darkside buff is not a gauge? The rest of the skill descriptions you rattled off are just info other people in the thread already shared with me. Thanks for playing though.

Edit: This well-known website right here Dark Knight Job Guide
LITERALLY calls it a "Darkside Gauge". So yeah, quit making things up just because you want to argue.

You said yourself youre dropping combo and didnt know how unleash/stalwart works so you clearly don't know how it works lol, also with the way drk works it might as well not be a gauge, if its getting low in aoe and its not because youre moving between packs youre doing something wrong. You need to gain some chill my dude.

[Alaeacus]

You said yourself youre dropping combo and didnt know how unleash/stalwart works so you clearly don't know how it works lol, also with the way drk works it might as well not be a gauge, if its getting low in aoe and its not because youre moving between packs youre doing something wrong. You need to gain some chill my dude.

I'm completely chill. I'm just pointing out that even though you are desperately trying to sound like an authority on the subject, you haven't said anything intelligent yet. Nobody said anything about moving between packs, you're just making things up now. You mentioned Darkside not being a "gauge", as if calling it a gauge or not even matters at all. I called you out on that and instead of admitting your mistake, you double-down saying "well, it might as well not be called that". It's called that because it functions exactly by definition like a gauge. How deliberately obtuse can you get?

Not knowing that a few skills aren't tab-target reliant does not mean I have no idea how the whole DRK Job works. I've taken my DRK into endgame content and have come out completely fine. The vast majority of the time I am tab-targetting. My problem was only an annoyance that occurred occasionally in wall-to-wall AOE pulls. But I guess that one occasional scenario shows that I know "nothing" about the Job. OK bruh.

You've added nothing to the conversation except your failed attempt to be smug about Job knowledge. Do you really think you are being helpful to someone simply by telling them "you don't know how a class works", and then proceed to only attack their verbiage? Nah, I think you know full-well that you are being smug, and it's intentional.

[shao32]

I don't know what's happening than. Maybe it's solely Flood of Darkness that is killing my combo than. Flood is supposed to be the multi-target darkness gauge refiller, and I NEED to use it during my AOE combos if my gauge is getting low, but if I have no enemy tab-targeted, my combo stops cold and skill up-time screws up.

Still, I don't even have to worry about this type of thing with PLD, as that job doesn't even have that extra resource to begin with. Less headache by default.

that shouln't happen at all i mean nothing interferes with the stalwart soul combo so it's dosen't matter if you use flood or salted earth or whatever you combos wont stop working unless you fatfinger some single target weaponskill, and if you do it's just start with unleash again so is kinda meh.
the new darkside gauge is something you will complety ignore on every scenario bcs is useless, is not worth waste effort tracking it since you generate so much darkside time it's become a fancy waste of UI space, just use a initial flood at the begining of the pull and the rest will come alone as procs of TBN (the skills shine anyway so no need to watch the dark arts symbol either), keep you 2 step combo always rolling with the ocasional quietus and use TBN to get those procs and when you are set meaby delirium/quietus spam every 2 years.