Am I missing something, or are Dark Knights just terrible?

[BarretOblivion]

Leveling DRK sucks.
End game... DRK is fine but Delirium is the biggest issue to me (outside of Living Dead ofc) its a slapped on WAR clone that kills DRKs potential where instead of doing something unique with Delirum its just a copy paste job.
DRK however plays overall better than WAR due to it being faster with less down time than WAR but goodness it should do more damage than a PLD with the amount of work you put in compared to PLD.

[DRKoftheAzure]

Leveling DRK sucks.
End game... DRK is fine but Delirium is the biggest issue to me (outside of Living Dead ofc) its a slapped on WAR clone that kills DRKs potential where instead of doing something unique with Delirum its just a copy paste job.
DRK however plays overall better than WAR due to it being faster with less down time than WAR but goodness it should do more damage than a PLD with the amount of work you put in compared to PLD.

Did mention how much I hate Trick Attack? Because that's mostly DRK's problem is that it needs Trick Attack to be somewhat good for most of it's offensive toolkit...

Salted Earth is pathetic with it's short duration, weak DoT effect, and unreasonably long re-cast timer, all because it's ground targeting...

Carve and Spit's potency is weak compared to GNB's Blasting Zone's potency or even NIN's Dream Within a Dream's combined potency...

Edge of Darkness/Shadow and Flood of Darkness/Shadow are hindered by the fact that they replaced multiple cooldowns but suffer because of those cooldowns being gone(Darkside, Dark Arts, and Dark Passenger), and are glorified GCDs because they are oGCD but share a recast timer with each other "to prevent double weaving", and they cost 3k MP like The Blackest Night...

Speaking of The Blackest Night, there are people who believe that it should be neutral if it breaks and a loss if falls off, which I disagree with because of the DPS meta that everyone is so fond of, which means The Blackest Night needs to be a DPS gain on break and neutral on falloff...

But my biggest issue Living Shadow... I do not care how cool it looks, if I cannot maintain through Darkside or even Dark Arts, then it is a failure of an ability and doesn't even need to be a apart of the "Darkside Gauge"...

[shao32]

Leveling DRK sucks.
End game... DRK is fine but Delirium is the biggest issue to me (outside of Living Dead ofc) its a slapped on WAR clone that kills DRKs potential where instead of doing something unique with Delirum its just a copy paste job.
DRK however plays overall better than WAR due to it being faster with less down time than WAR but goodness it should do more damage than a PLD with the amount of work you put in compared to PLD.

don't say that, remember when ppl say the same on SB DRK? this will like asking them to make the job even more braindead, and be sure they could do that.

[Danelo]

I don’t think it’s wrong to say you should be rewarded for completing a more complicated rotation with higher dps. Unfortunately all the complexity has been drained away and current tanks vary only slightly.

[Alaeacus]

I don’t think it’s wrong to say you should be rewarded for completing a more complicated rotation with higher dps. Unfortunately all the complexity has been drained away and current tanks vary only slightly.

There is nothing wrong with this. Unfortunately the DPS increase is incredibly miniscule. So basically as a DRK you're managing these extra resources just for the "fun" of it, with very little tangible gain when compared to the overall toolkit of other tanks.

One thing I NEVER see anyone mention. Every time I waver and decide that DRK will be my new main tank, there is one annoying factor that always infuriates me: the fact that I have to have an enemy tab targeted in order to do my AOE skills. Why? I'm in the middle of a pack spamming AOE combos and DPS kills the enemy I am targeting. All of a sudden my AOE skills cease to function unless I tab target a new enemy. This is jarring as hell. As PLD, I don't need to have anything targeted to do an AOE skill. I just Spin-to-Win.

Am I the only person who has noticed this?

[Malmstrom]

Am I the only person who has noticed this?

Probably, since Unleash and Stalwart Soul don't require a target. Not sure what your issue is. Don't think you need one for Quietus, either, although I could be wrong. On an alt that doesn't have DRK leveled at the moment. Flood of Shadow definitely, though.

[DRKoftheAzure]

Leveling DRK sucks.
End game... DRK is fine but Delirium is the biggest issue to me (outside of Living Dead ofc) its a slapped on WAR clone that kills DRKs potential where instead of doing something unique with Delirum its just a copy paste job.
DRK however plays overall better than WAR due to it being faster with less down time than WAR but goodness it should do more damage than a PLD with the amount of work you put in compared to PLD.

don't say that, remember when ppl say the same on SB DRK? this will like asking them to make the job even more braindead, and be sure they could do that.

Leveling DRK sucks because we no longer have any fun abilities to use and DRK is just a boring chore without those fun abilities(a better Darkside, a better Dark Arts, Spinning Slash, Power Slash, Dark Passenger, Dark Dance, Sole Survivor, a better Blood Weapon, Blood Price, a better Salted Earth, a better Quietus, a better The Blackest Night). Spamming 1-2-3 until you have full MP is not fun/all cooldowns are up is not fun for tanks...


Being a mindless zombie drone is not fun, otherwise I would be playing a Green DPS-I mean- healer...

[shao32]

I don’t think it’s wrong to say you should be rewarded for completing a more complicated rotation with higher dps. Unfortunately all the complexity has been drained away and current tanks vary only slightly.

mmm no i don't say it's a wrong thing, im more saying that SE interprets this to be something like "it's to complex for what they do, make it more simple" or something like that based on how they dumped down DRK gameplay this expansion. in resume im a bit skeptical when someones mix "having to do to much" with job performance independent if they are actually complaying about the gameplay or just the numbers since the way it's sounds can be missinterpreted when you can simply say DRK needs to do a bit more without mention the number of buttons you have to press.

There is nothing wrong with this. Unfortunately the DPS increase is incredibly miniscule. So basically as a DRK you're managing these extra resources just for the "fun" of it, with very little tangible gain when compared to the overall toolkit of other tanks.

One thing I NEVER see anyone mention. Every time I waver and decide that DRK will be my new main tank, there is one annoying factor that always infuriates me: the fact that I have to have an enemy tab targeted in order to do my AOE skills. Why? I'm in the middle of a pack spamming AOE combos and DPS kills the enemy I am targeting. All of a sudden my AOE skills cease to function unless I tab target a new enemy. This is jarring as hell. As PLD, I don't need to have anything targeted to do an AOE skill. I just Spin-to-Win.

Am I the only person who has noticed this?

unleash, slatwart soul, salted earth and quietus don't need target to be used properly, only flood and abyssal drain need one so it's imposible all your aoes skills stop working.

[Danelo]

It seems we are speaking past each other. Not sure if I phrased something wrong. I agree with your last response to me.

[Alaeacus]

Probably, since Unleash and Stalwart Soul don't require a target. Not sure what your issue is. Don't think you need one for Quietus, either, although I could be wrong. On an alt that doesn't have DRK leveled at the moment. Flood of Shadow definitely, though.

unleash, slatwart soul, salted earth and quietus don't need target to be used properly, only flood and abyssal drain need one so it's imposible all your aoes skills stop working.

I don't know what's happening than. Maybe it's solely Flood of Darkness that is killing my combo than. Flood is supposed to be the multi-target darkness gauge refiller, and I NEED to use it during my AOE combos if my gauge is getting low, but if I have no enemy tab-targeted, my combo stops cold and skill up-time screws up.

Still, I don't even have to worry about this type of thing with PLD, as that job doesn't even have that extra resource to begin with. Less headache by default.