FFXIV is just FFTA from the other perspective

[MikkoAkure]

My own stance aside, the answer to that question is character defining by itself, and if the story goes with the narrative that the Ascains were wrong to do it, then in my view so was Graha (the opposite also applies naturally). He just had the benefit of being successful, being on our side, and conveniently achieving the effect with less suffering.

G’raha did what he did under different circumstances. The world 200 years in the bad future is one of constant war where Black Rose was way more successful than expected and most of the world’s population died and there’s no end in sight. Reversing that will save all the millions who died on The Source, save those who remained on The First, push back the clock on the Rejoining, and provide a proof of concept of taking the fight to the Ascians on the shards.

In regards to the other timeline, we have no idea how time travel works here and don’t know if the bad timeline gets overwritten. If it works anything like FFXI, both worlds co-exist until Atomos gets hungry but I guess that might be taken care of later.

Meanwhile, Emet-Selch has admitted himself that he’s tempered by a primal and at least to me it’s implied that Zodiark isn’t rejoining the worlds for the sake of the ascians so there’s no guarantee he’ll give his aether away to bring the world back. Say what you will about Hydaelyn but at least she hasn’t tempered us (according to the devs). Emet makes a compelling argument, but he isn’t necessarily doing what he thinks is right and his reasons for doing what he’s doing is compromised by the fact he’s controlled by his god.

The dev team themselves are surprised by how many people support the ascians which I think says enough about what’s planned for the future.

[Lersayil]

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To be fair, they only have themselves to blame. If they write the villains to be sympathetic, people will sympathize with them. *suprisedpikachuface*

Anyways, I'm not saying this to be pro-ascian. I am saying this because if they continue pushing the theme, that the past cannot be returned to (metaphorically speaking in this case), the dead cannot be resurrected, and that sacrifices made to that end are wrong and meaningless... then the current handling of Graha is either a writing mistake, or hypocrisy.

I guess the problem does go away if they drop that message though?

[Alleo]

G’raha did what he did under different circumstances. The world 200 years in the bad future is one of constant war where Black Rose was way more successful than expected and most of the world’s population died and there’s no end in sight. Reversing that will save all the millions who died on The Source, save those who remained on The First, push back the clock on the Rejoining, and provide a proof of concept of taking the fight to the Ascians on the shards.

I fully agree. The world right now is fine as it is. It might not be as great as it once was with the Ancient ones but without the constant thread of the Ascians the people would probably thrive and live quite good. Heck even with the calamities always resetting it, you can still enjoy a good life. So the world imo does not need saving. Thus what the Ascians are doing is trying to destroy something that is fine because it does not fit their view on it. Elidibus might talk about balance and that stuff but I doubt that this is true. What balance would be there for us if they go through with their goal. Graha was waking up in a world where the people thought that it would be better to change the past than to continue living in it. From the bare descriptions we got, it was probably not going to recover and with the WoL gone, it might have even been doomed to get Zodiark back.

But I guess this is all off topic anyways since it has not much to do with the OP anymore.

No, Hydaelyn hasn't done anything 'bad' so far, but she has willingly withheld truths from us. Another thing is the fact that apparently she knew how the First suffered, but only stepped in when Arbert showed up, almost as if to assure us she's still the good one. So, shady in my book.

And what the post above me said.

She took Minfilias body because she has gotten so weak that she could not even talk to us directly. (And Minfilia went there willingly, she could have just ignored the plea and run) Of course this makes it not really possible to help Ardbert and his friends with the shards (we dont even know if she can directly even act on these shards) and we have to remember that time flows different there too. Maybe she heard their plea, was not powerful enough to contact us for help and when she finally got Minfilia they were already there. Heck even with Minfilia as her emissary we had to travel through the anti tower to finally speak with her again, while in the past she was able to reach us outside that realm.

In the end as soon as she got some power back, she sent Minfilia to the first to help.

Many of those currently living oppose Emet Selch. Many of those currently living (after the 8th Calamity) oppose G’raha Tia.

Where was it stated that many opposed Graha Tia? Maybe I remember it wrong but this was never stated ingame? And in the short story it was all about the time where Cid was still alive. (Long before Graha Tia even woke up) And even Cid managed to turn the opinions around when it was about saving us and not about giving future people a better place to life. As far as we know we have no clue how many people are even alive after 200 years (just the hints that it was a dieing world) and how many of those agreed to it. But Graha needed to have a least quite some people behind him, because that time travel device was still just a plan. The ressources needed to construct that would be huge. I doubt that only a handful managed to do that. Also rereading the Twinning it was not him that started the project. It was the people from the future that opened up the tower to research a way to travel through the space.