a question for healers.

[Shalan]

First--Jump Potions are a thing. They start you at level 70 now. So if you're doing Holminster it literally just means you did the Story far enough to get there since they give you exp for just reading dialogue. Although to be fair a Jump Tank is usually an easy spot very early on.

I've said this somewhere before, but if someone uses a jump potion to skip ahead in the game, I fully expect them to read class guides and spend some time wailing on a dummy or mobs in the game. I'll still cut them some slack, but anything less shows a blatant lack of courtesy on their part to begin with when doing group content.

Second--as someone who has two tanks at level 70-71 but does not main them, obviously, most leveling does not require you to do much beyond hit something with your chosen weapon repeatedly. Fates, Deep Dungeon, HoH, Squadrons, Leves, Trusts--none of these really require a full toolkit and for people like me who want to level and not inflict ourselves on the general public, this is a good way to go about it. However that does not account for real practice in actual situations where Tank is the essential role--nor does it allow for learning what attacks you can and need to stun or enemy groupings or the overall layout of the dungeon.

Even in ShB dungeons the experience isn't particularly intense. The "need to stun abilities" are generally *very* telling, given that their flashing cast bars and notable visual tells (tethers, certain stances, etc.). Even then, most of them are survivable without stunning so it's not necessarily required, it just makes things easier. Most of the time layout just devolves into "don't stand in bad", and grouping is just... grouping? Ya know, line stuff up so you can AoE them.

These are things that you can learn in other roles aside from tanks and if you don't have them by ShB for whatever reason there's something up. All that's needed is a little awareness of your surroundings.

And while those don't require a full toolkit, they do have you use some of it, and you should at least pick up on some of the non-toolkit queues (enemy casts, LoS, grouping, etc.) from them.

So what they are saying is that if you're a high-level tank that attempts to run a dungeon in a manner in which they are comfortable with or at least practice more caution then just making the healer do more work because they're new to it or maybe did it once before, that is laughable because anyone who needs to learn or needs the experience is not worth anyone's time.

First off, what about what the others are more comfortable with? Why is it only the tank's comfort that matters in group content?

I've already stated multiple times that I'm not going to riff on a genuine new player, hell I won't riff on a struggling player in higher content. I'll do whatever I can to help ease them through and teach them anything they need, but I will laugh if someone tries to act like they're some fresh Gladiator taking their first step into Sashtasha when we're doing Holminster Switch. Or if someone comes into content woefully undergeared. Because that's unacceptable.

If I need to think about their wants/desires/feelings, they need to be doing the same for myself and the rest of the group. If they don't we're well within our rights to complain in an appropriate manner.

Please never que for leveling.

I don't really talk in dungeons unless someone needs help. I reserve and keep such opinions to myself to guarantee a better run, perhaps complaining in FC or Discord, but not always, and never with the person's name.
It's okay if I'm holding people to standards, even if you aren't willing to.