Please reconsider removing job restrictions on glamour armor

[JamieRose]

Here is Yoshi-P's excuse for why it's not possible taken from a Kotaku article a few months ago:

https://kotaku.com/we-took-a-bold-st...ect-1835098319

5/29/19
Yoshi-P: to answer about removing the job restrictions, unfortunately, we don’t intend to remove them. The reason is simple.

For players who have played other Final Fantasy titles, they’ll easily recognize these gear designs as a way to identify a particular job...You wouldn’t want to see someone carrying an axe casting black magic. You’d wonder: What the hell kind of game is this?

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This cannot be an acceptable reason for the restriction with the current state of the game's armor selection.

I find it kind of laughable that he uses that as an excuse when you can go into battle as any class wearing this...

[LLSmoothJ]

I find it kind of laughable that he uses that as an excuse when you can go into battle as any class wearing this...

Wasn't it mentioned that the reason why glamours were initially locked at Lv50 was because of something on the lines of "The designers worked so hard on the gear/outfits?" Yeah, that kind of reasoning doesn't surprise me.

[Iscah]

Wasn't it mentioned that the reason why glamours were initially locked at Lv50 was because of something on the lines of "The designers worked so hard on the gear/outfits?" Yeah, that kind of reasoning doesn't surprise me.

My understanding is that culturally it would be embarrassing for Japanese people to say they can't fulfill a request, so instead they deflect it and try to convince you that there's a reason to not actually want it. Weak excuses are all they can use, even if they know it's weak.

Whether it's down to artistic choice or technical limitations is a separate question. (I've said before, I think - but have no proof - it may be artistic choice that specifically the relic gear remains job-locked, and the technical limitations involved in keeping that the case mean that everything else has to remain similarly restricted. I think it may be an all-or-nothing situation where they wouldn't be able to create exceptions to the rule.)

[JamieRose]

My understanding is that culturally it would be embarrassing for Japanese people to say they can't fulfill a request, so instead they deflect it and try to convince you that there's a reason to not actually want it. Weak excuses are all they can use, even if they know it's weak.

Whether it's down to artistic choice or technical limitations is a separate question. (I've said before, I think - but have no proof - it may be artistic choice that specifically the relic gear remains job-locked, and the technical limitations involved in keeping that the case mean that everything else has to remain similarly restricted. I think it may be an all-or-nothing situation where they wouldn't be able to create exceptions to the rule.)

There certainly doesn't seem to be any problems with mixing and matching in the glamour plate window.

[Iscah]

There certainly doesn't seem to be any problems with mixing and matching in the glamour plate window.

That's a different system, though? I think it just stores the image of each thing you tried on without trying to apply rules or restrictions, otherwise you wouldn't be able to do the "show all gear" option, or you'd have weird compatibility rules where some things displayed but others didn't.

If they tried to place restrictions on it, you might not be able to try on things you can't equip right now!

Also sometimes it gets confused if you used the 'save outfit' mode and saved a weapon, then try other items on after switching classes. Your previewed character might go into weapon stance for your current class while holding a different type of weapon (which makes for some interesting results!). This never happens in the "real" game, but often enough in previews that I've built up a collection of screenshots.

[Aurida]

Right, so they just need to use the system they use in the 'try on' window for the actual game's glamour and we'll be set, right?

[Kyndel]

I don't get how this is still an argument. There is no reason I shouldn't be able to glamour something that is the same or lower leveled than my current items. The only argument I can see is "but if we let you wear anything you'll just wear gear that isn't for your job," but this is a moot point since you can just disallow us from wearing the items, but allow us to put them in glamour slates.

Basically, glamour slates should be blind to what class you are when applying and only take in level. I don't understand why this isn't already implemented.

[Iscah]

Right, so they just need to use the system they use in the 'try on' window for the actual game's glamour and we'll be set, right?

No we can't because... well, let's start by assuming my hypothesis is correct: the devs consider that relic gear absolutely, non-negotiably must only be worn by the job it belongs to (regardless of the impact on availability of other things they would be happy to make cross-glamourable).

The current glamour system enforces this rule, so is working as intended. Behind the scenes they might not like it as a solution, but it does what they absolutely need it to do, and the locking of other glamours is considered an unfortunate but necessary side effect.

The dressing room system (essentially "no restrictions") does not enforce this rule: you can see your character wearing pieces from a relic set - or multiple sets at once - that does not belong to your current job. Therefore it is judged unsuitable.

[Aurida]

It's only still an argument because this way SE can slowly leak past armor designs into newer expacs by way of giving the designs to new crafted tiers of equipment or the occasional reward from off-brand content, like Ishgard reconstruction, the Anemos/Pagos lockbox sets, or this bit they're doing on the korean and chinese servers where they sell the sets for $15 a pop.

In order to sell this, they've successfully convinced some folks that glamour restrictions are good actually because of a nebulous definition of 'job identity' which instantly ceases to matter for anything but artifact gear the moment SE decides, eh, they don't feel like making new designs for the crafted gear this tier, lessee what HW armors we haven't used yet.

It would be excellent if they'd unlock everything, but without a substantial push from the playerbase, they never will, and we won't get that as long as people continue to one-trick about their precious red mage AF3.

[testname]

I see plenty of people fighting

"no for glamours, because lose of identity"

while the same people play in santa or chocobo or nier outfits as any Job given, and literary they look the Same!

hypocrites !