Tanking feels unimportant

[Shurrikhan]

If that's how you see it, then let it burn like World of Warcraft, because I'm honestly at the point where I don't care what happens after 6.0... I'll only stick around for 6.0 if battle changes are even worth praising or not...

...What do any of these things have to do with each other?

"Let enmity manipulation burn like WoW because <I have perfectly normal standards>" ???

Where is the connection between your previous responses and this? How do those lead to... that?

I get the "XIV shouldn't shortsightedly pander to X, Y, or Z, or else the rug is pulled out from beneath the game and things start to crumble." I agree with it. I just don't agree that there are no intermediate and more productive steps between a particular implementation and its removal. I believe improvements (especially to such rough, barebone systems as are the norm in this game) are possible.

I get the implication that you want to see significant changes away from the reduced state we now find in the game in. I do as well. I just don't think it'll come from the same short-sighted sledge-over-scalpel work that removed enmity combos.

And, for what it's worth, that's probably a good quarter of players at this point who'd be leaving if there are no improvements to combat.

...But what does any of that have to do with WoW burning (especially given that it's currently in the middle of de-pruning itself, listening to its player-base --at least compared to many other periods of its history, and certainly compared to XIV-- and taking less short-sighted views of its development? You're going like 1, 3, 5, 786 here.

Is it just "WoW is bad" bait again, or... you just really don't like actually participating in the discussion for fixing the game, only in complaining when no one else does it...? I don't get it.

[Falar]

I was only subbed to Stormblood for a short period of time I hated the combat changes so much. I was really unhappy with what they did to DRK.

I just came back now and am considering another long absence until they sort this out.

[DRKoftheAzure]

...What do any of these things have to do with each other?

"Let enmity manipulation burn like WoW because <I have perfectly normal standards>" ???

Where is the connection between your previous responses and this? How do those lead to... that?

I get the "XIV shouldn't shortsightedly pander to X, Y, or Z, or else the rug is pulled out from beneath the game and things start to crumble." I agree with it. I just don't agree that there are no intermediate and more productive steps between a particular implementation and its removal. I believe improvements (especially to such rough, barebone systems as are the norm in this game) are possible.

I get the implication that you want to see significant changes away from the reduced state we now find in the game in. I do as well. I just don't think it'll come from the same short-sighted sledge-over-scalpel work that removed enmity combos.

And, for what it's worth, that's probably a good quarter of players at this point who'd be leaving if there are no improvements to combat.

...But what does any of that have to do with WoW burning (especially given that it's currently in the middle of de-pruning itself, listening to its player-base --at least compared to many other periods of its history, and certainly compared to XIV-- and taking less short-sighted views of its development? You're going like 1, 3, 5, 786 here.

Is it just "WoW is bad" bait again, or... you just really don't like actually participating in the discussion for fixing the game, only in complaining when no one else does it...? I don't get it.

I was talking about FF14 in general, which okay, I understand the confusion...

As for WoW finally getting the de-pruning, Activision is only allowing Blizzard to do it, because apparently the Chinese money wasn't as profitable as they would have liked it to be once the Chinese government got involved and pissed off many westerners as a result, and Square-Enix is only going to allow good balance changes when the casualisation is going to cause the company to bleed money left and right and it affects their bottom line.

And the only reason Disney is asking George Lucas to come back to Star Wars is because of the bad decisions Disney made with the franchise. While I'm on topic Star Wars; prequel movies are underrated.

At the end of the day it boils down to poor management, and the only people that get punished are the people that made the franchises and companies into what they were before some idiot got in control of management because he/she/they wanted more money and didn't care who got hurt or in the way so long as they get more money. Just look at Konami as an example.

[NyneSwordz]

I was only subbed to Stormblood for a short period of time I hated the combat changes so much. I was really unhappy with what they did to DRK.

I just came back now and am considering another long absence until they sort this out.

I've been out for a while now. I hope they do something good for Wars and tanks im general for 5.2, because I really hate it right now. Infuriate/ic mechanic is just not fun to me. And nf with party member restriction is awful. I'd gladly trade ic and nf to get old ib and steel cyclone back. If nothing is done in 5.2, that's it for me this xpac...

[shao32]

If is wasn't bcs my static and my house i would probably leaving the Game until 6.0 too, with the DRK being a WAR clone and the whole kit being carried by the busted TBN + the decadence of the combat system specially on tanks and healers there is not much fun left -.-

[NyneSwordz]

If is wasn't bcs my static and my house i would probably leaving the Game until 6.0 too, with the DRK being a WAR clone and the whole kit being carried by the busted TBN + the decadence of the combat system specially on tanks and healers there is not much fun left -.-

I never liked healing very much, except maybe resto druid back in the day in wow, but HW Sch was the most fun I had with a healing class ever. Made me strongly consider maining heals... Now it's so... bland = * (

[Bravely_Default]

The simplification of the kits in addition to the ability pruning and broken potencies become glaringly obvious once you go back to old 3.0/4.0 content. those fights get cleared so fast now that you don't even see half of the mechanics the bosses do anymore (brute justice prime example of this!)

[shao32]

I never liked healing very much, except maybe resto druid back in the day in wow, but HW Sch was the most fun I had with a healing class ever. Made me strongly consider maining heals... Now it's so... bland = * (

Healing wasn't my fav role either but at least in the past was indeed way more fun, same as tanking, now im only tanking for savage and thats It, i preffer play more engaging and complex jobs for everything else, basicaly the dps to dont fall sleep and feel way more rewarding for playing properly that half of the tanks

[Malmstrom]

Because it is unimportant.

There's no value in being a tanky tank because damage is king, so you end up slotting any and everything that gives you BIG NUMBARZ and basically become a watered down DPS that has a couple more damage reduction cooldowns.

[Aurelius2625]

Really I would think the intended thing to do is either have the heal proc it, or if need be, CAST YOUR OWN HEALING SPELL.

But no your healing spell is a DPS loss from the lowest damage dealers in the game, so have the healers that do more damage than you do it.

Fine. Keep your Veil and have another reason to blame healers, like people don't have enough things to blame healers for. You'll all ready to throw a party if Clemency got deleted for your precious DPS but don't want to budge on Veil getting changed because that's would be putting the responsibility back in your corner. I'm not crazy here am I? If they decided to cut Clemancy(And bow to the DPS chasing meta we have) wouldn't it make sense to change Veil to reflect it because PLD can no longer, within their own kit, proc it?

Bro... if I have to pop clemency to proc veil, you've failed as a healer, full stop. You have THIRTY SECONDS to cast a GCD heal to proc it for incoming raid damage. One of you is a shield healer. That shield will proc it.

And no, most healers do LESS than I do on tank. The chad healers that don't heal do, but their team suffers for it. The ONLY time I will consider clem to proc it is if there is down time and it doesn't matter anyway since I'll get the MP back, or it's enough time to get MP for Req at the beginning of the fight.