Is 'Hydaelyn' a misnomer based on a misconception?

[Elladie]

It does, because the original 'star' (the original name of which has not been revealed so far) no longer exists. The Terminus effectively destroyed it, and Zodiark's summoning stopped the Terminus at the last moment and restored the devestated world with new life, but it wasn't really the same world anymore by the Ascians' own admission (it's metaphysical framework had been after all specifically rewritten by Zodiark intentionally, and "countless new tiny lives had begun to spring up on the world"), and then it was sundered into the 'Source' and the Fourteen Shards when Hydaelyn was summoned as a counterweight to Zodiark's power in reply to the surviving members of the Convocation attempting to sacrifice the survivors of their race and the new life that had appeared on the planet to Zodiark to completely restore the world to how it once was - Hydaelyn throwing a spanner in that plan accordingly.

The Ascians have not once mentioned what the world's original name was pre-Terminus (it was simply referred to as 'the Star'), and with Zodiark banished to the moon (which he continues to be associated with as a 'darkness' god), it is still correct to call the planet Hydaelyn, simply for lack of a better alternative (it should also be worth mentioning that FFXIV's setting metawise is more often than not called Eorzea as a world rather than just a geographical region it actually is, but this does not really count).

Pretty sure this isn't altogether accurate. Yes there was devastation on a huge scale on the original star, but it certainly didn't cease to exist. We visit the actual ruins of an Amaurotine city on the First; if the Terminus event destroyed an entire star they wouldn't be there. Yes the star was split into fourteen as were the souls that lived upon it, and at some point on the Source we started to call the star Hydaelyn after its 'creator'. Or perhaps it was always called Hydaelyn and the summoners named their primal after the star (less likely since Zodiark is the one who is actually the manifestation of the will of the star so perhaps it was called Zodiark before)

[Eloah]

Pretty sure this isn't altogether accurate. Yes there was devastation on a huge scale on the original star, but it certainly didn't cease to exist. We visit the actual ruins of an Amaurotine city on the First; if the Terminus event destroyed an entire star they wouldn't be there. Yes the star was split into fourteen as were the souls that lived upon it, and at some point on the Source we started to call the star Hydaelyn after its 'creator'. Or perhaps it was always called Hydaelyn and the summoners named their primal after the star (less likely since Zodiark is the one who is actually the manifestation of the will of the star so perhaps it was called Zodiark before)

What Amaurotine city are you referencing, because we visit no such thing on the first. The only thing we visit is an illusion. As for the name Hydaelyn. I think it's a simple case of history is written by the Victor. Hydaelyn "won" so the star is called Hydaelyn.

As for the star's original name, let's either call it Genesis or Termina. Either we call it the beginning or the end, lol.

[Lersayil]

What Amaurotine city are you referencing, because we visit no such thing on the first. The only thing we visit is an illusion. As for the name Hydaelyn. I think it's a simple case of history is written by the Victor. Hydaelyn "won" so the star is called Hydaelyn.

As for the star's original name, let's either call it Genesis or Termina. Either we call it the beginning or the end, lol.

Parts of the city may have been illusion, but the ruins in the surrounding area are of Amaurotian origins, as are the ruins the Ondo live in.

It is likely Emet used the ruins of an actual Amaurotian city as the base of his illusion. Not sure if it was ever outright stated if it IS the ruined city of Amaurot itself though, but its probable.

[Eloah]

Parts of the city may have been illusion, but the ruins in the surrounding area are of Amaurotian origins, as are the ruins the Ondo live in.

It is likely Emet used the ruins of an actual Amaurotian city as the base of his illusion. Not sure if it was ever outright stated if it IS the ruined city of Amaurot itself though, but its probable.

Ah those ruins, you are half right.

The ruins you encounter in the end game are not Amaurotine in origin, at least not how you think. In truth, they were created by someone who had fleeting memories of the original star. The same thing exists in the Ronkan Ruins and was elaborated upon by the developers. We dont actually encounter anything from the original star, just the facsimile created by Emet-Selch. The ruins are of First Origins.

Indeed, the city even "recognises the WoL" when you first get there. If the city was a complete illusion born of the mind of Emet Selch then there would be no reason why he would imagine his creations to recognise the player having Ascian heritage because he was unaware of it until his end.

That's not exactly what happens. Emet-Selch invited us, so why wouldn't it recognize our unique signature. Plus you might be confusing what the Ascian heritage means. In your context you're talking about us being a member of the council, but truthfully, all of the races have "Ascian heritage" as we were all unified beings at one point. This much Emet-Selch did know. The only difference is any being from the source is more "complete"

[Lersayil]

Ah those ruins, you are half right.

The ruins you encounter in the end game are not Amaurotine in origin, at least not how you think. In truth, they were created by someone who had fleeting memories of the original star. The same thing exists in the Ronkan Ruins and was elaborated upon by the developers. We dont actually encounter anything from the original star, just the facsimile created by Emet-Selch. The ruins are of First Origins.

Citation needed.

The ruins are clearly stated to be built by "Ancients" with unkown and non-reproducible means. The technology used is stated to be very high above anything the Ondo or the Scions could imagine, or even put a dent in. Its pretty clear that the ruins are not of Ronkan origin, who were to our knowledge the most advanced faction of the First (and remember they did not have any Calamities, so they have better recollection of their history and ruins).

It is also stated by the Ondo, that they associate the ruins they use and the ruins that "lit up" by the return of the ancients.

The murals in the Ronkan ruins are of a different matter. They were clearly constructed by the Ronkans or their predecessors post Sundering, to record the fleeting memories of the pre Sundered world... and it was stated as such by non other than Emet too.

[Eloah]

Citation needed.

The ruins are clearly stated to be built by "Ancients" with unkown and non-reproducible means. The technology used is stated to be very high above anything the Ondo or the Scions could imagine, or even put a dent in. Its pretty clear that the ruins are not of Ronkan origin, who were to our knowledge the most advanced faction of the First (and remember they did not have any Calamities, so they have better recollection of their history and ruins).

It is also stated by the Ondo, that they associate the ruins they use and the ruins that "lit up" by the return of the ancients.

The murals in the Ronkan ruins are of a different matter. They were clearly constructed by the Ronkans or their predecessors post Sundering, to record the fleeting memories of the pre Sundered world... and it was stated as such by non other than Emet too.

I'd have to look for the Q&A where they said it. But I'll admit I could be mixing up info. What I am talking about were the murals as you indicated, I wasn't trying to indicate the ruins were of Ronkan origin either.

I did see something that indicated the ruins are genuine because of a lack of calamities, as you indicated, but that's not a prime source for information. I could be relating actual info the dev's have said and stretching it to this concept. So unless we have a prime source for either, the confirmation is up in the air.

My main reason behind thinking the ruins aren't genuine is because the timing doesn't add up. Amaurot was destroyed prior to summoning Zodiark. Between his summoning, the planets "restoration", Hydaelyn's summoning, and their battles, a significant amount of time should have passed. Now while ruins don't just "vanish", for them to remain after a reconstruction effort is put in place seems odd. But that reasoning is only speculation, the same as everyone else's. So we'll just have to wait for the dev's to say something.

That being said, having something "built by the ancients" doesn't necessarily mean the Ascians. Our own world history shows things from our past that were created by unknown and non-reproducible means.

[Elladie]

What Amaurotine city are you referencing, because we visit no such thing on the first. The only thing we visit is an illusion. As for the name Hydaelyn. I think it's a simple case of history is written by the Victor. Hydaelyn "won" so the star is called Hydaelyn.

As for the star's original name, let's either call it Genesis or Termina. Either we call it the beginning or the end, lol.

I am referencing the ruins in the Tempest which are clearly the ruins of Amaurot as the WoL discusses with Y'shtola ...

[Eloah]

I am referencing the ruins in the Tempest which are clearly the ruins of Amaurot as the WoL discusses with Y'shtola ...

Yes, I see that now.