Tanking feels unimportant

[deadman1204]

Right now tanks have a very low floor

As a healer, I feel like my skill sets the floor for tanks heh. As the expac goes on, less and less tanks even use their defensive abilities in dungeons on giant pulls heh.

I do feel your pain for boring/lazy rotations - yay single nuke healers!

[Bright-Flower]

As a healer, I feel like my skill sets the floor for tanks heh. As the expac goes on, less and less tanks even use their defensive abilities in dungeons on giant pulls heh.

I do feel your pain for boring/lazy rotations - yay single nuke healers!

Yeah I feel for healers this expansion. I get to some extent that healers would have less damage buttons than dps, or even tanks since tanking involves constantly hitting hitting the bossy anyway since he's in our face, but I think they went overboard this expansion.

On the tank side, I enjoy paladin and gunbreaker this expansion but I can't comment on warrior or dark knight, so maybe they got the worst of it in tank changes, but I think paladin has only improved with each expansion.

[Bhearil]

Paladin imo is on its best state to date and only kept improving since Heavensward where it got shafted badly. Gunbreaker also is pleasant to play due to having its combo ready often which breaks the 1-2-3 combo spam snore fest that ails both WAR and DRK outside of their burst windows (and their burst windows is basically spam 5 times a new key while buffed, so fun yay...)

[BarretOblivion]

Seen on the tombstone of Barret's raid after a wipe - "At least he didn't screw up his rotation."

Darn straight, because you should be focusing on doing your rotation right... every job should be. Worrying about what my HP at breaks concentration on what list of jobs I have to do during a raid, I got enough to worry about as it is, worrying about something more ain't it. If I have to clemency myself... either the Healers are f***ing up or someone else screwed up leading to the healers falling behind. Clemency only helps for a tiny bit... I can't sit there casting it all the time because news flash. I CAN'T MOVE AND I AM NOT A HEALER! You're not going to tech someone else how to get better at a fight by covering their arse, they need to face the punishment of screw ups to learn... else you are just babying people and they won't get better. My focus on I AM NOT GOING TO SCREW UP and as a tank try to help my co-tank with vokes and OT skills. I am not going to heal him with clemency, that's the healers job. IF I did heal him with clemency we get issues with overhealing because my healers unlike how you think every healer seems to be a complete idiot are reliable, so worrying about healing someone else is not only insulting to them... but is a waste of time because 99/100 the healers are going to be healing him before I even finish my clemency cast.

(Again clemency you have to hard cast outside of requiscat, another reason no PLD in their right mind is going to cast clemency outside of Requiscat)

[MerlinCross]

But we can’t delete Clemency that the community agrees to almost never use why? The healing required for Divine Veil can be removed.

[Gojin]

Well after what I seen on a twitch stream they should just adjust the dungeons as free for alls at this point, where just any types of roles can go in and get it done just to cut down on DPS queues. Someone queued without a tank, 3 dps one healer and cleared an expert dungeon no problem.

[Yorumi]

Well after what I seen on a twitch stream they should just adjust the dungeons as free for alls at this point, where just any types of roles can go in and get it done just to cut down on DPS queues. Someone queued without a tank, 3 dps one healer and cleared an expert dungeon no problem.

They actually did that in SWTOR. You think there are issues now try that, it's the most boring thing you've ever seen.

[MerlinCross]

They actually did that in SWTOR. You think there are issues now try that, it's the most boring thing you've ever seen.

But how fast do the dungeons go by in that game?

[BarretOblivion]

But we can’t delete Clemency that the community agrees to almost never use why? The healing required for Divine Veil can be removed.

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So just use divine viel before a massive AoE when your healers are setting up shields? Did people magically forget you can use divine viel it has a 30 sec timer that healers need to hit you with a heal, then another 30 seconds where the shield is active... meaning you have leway of almost an entire MINUTE!

[MerlinCross]

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So just use divine viel before a massive AoE when your healers are setting up shields? Did people magically forget you can use divine viel it has a 30 sec timer that healers need to hit you with a heal, then another 30 seconds where the shield is active... meaning you have leway of almost an entire MINUTE!

Neat. How often is that taken advantage of? Maybe more often in savage/ex but I still fail to see how that is better than an instant press of the button with no requirement. With how predictable the timing is on attacks, what difference is there? I’d like an example or two cause I’m just not seeing it other than really long AoE animation(but even those tend to have snapshots).

Besides this is more on how to adjust the skill if Clemency was removed, something I would think most PLDs would seem to want going by this and other threads. Or we can leave Veil as is(and keep a reason to blame healers)