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    Alright, people, the climate change hype train started again *choo chooo*

    Let's be honest: No one of you would change your life considerably to even remotely avoid in future what is happening right now. I've recorded Germany's "Friday for Future" protests and could overhear a local radio station's interview. What people said there was absolutely ridiculous: "I do not drink so much from plastic bottles anymore" - but I heard nobody saying: "I walk or use the bicycle to work".


    Let's see what is causing bad effects on the climate:


    * You would stop having bananas, coffee, soy, chocolate - here 80% of the people already put down the "Safe the climate" signs. The cargo ships take bananas from Costa Rica for weeks, then transports it to production and then again to the stores via trucks.
    * Computers and cellphones have a horrible ecological footprints as their parts are made of precious materials, gathered by kids whose childhood really has been stolen (not like a spoiled kid names Greta).
    * For the U.S. (and Australian) residents: Who of you would sell your car and use the bicycle?
    * Who of you would allow the gas price to climb by several times tomorrow?
    * Who of you would stop using general heating and wake up with a sore throat in winter because it has 4°C in your home?
    * Who of you are supporting equal hot spots in the African and Indian world?
    * Who of you are care only about temporary incidents (fire) unlike long-term problems (agriculture)?
    * Who of you would donate ONCE for the Fire Services instead of a monthly fee? (I get "Charlie Hebdo" flashbacks with the 2-week hype that stopped over night)
    * Who of you would want to have your power bill increased by 550% in order for renewal energy taxes starting tomorrow (I can tell you: It's not so fun!)
    * What is your profession to make a living? Think about the following: Do you drive? Do you use a computer? Do you trade with locally grown/manufactured goods? Do you want to stall international trading?
    * Server parks for games like this consume lots of power and hardware - see above.
    * Check where your clothes are coming from. How does it come from India or Pakistan to the U.S.A.?
    * Check your refrigerator: What's packaged in plastic?
    * Do you like to take cold showers? I don't.

    This list goes on and on. By merely being an "Internet Greta" you won't change anything, and you must do almost the full list above to have a significant impact on the climate. Forever. Not just "a couple of days without coffee". Which will send you back into the stone age basically. I am sure at one or two bulletins, many of you go "Nah! Never" already, but everything else is placebo. There always have been bushfires. There also have been absolutely catastrophal winters in Central Europe ('78 IIRC for example) that happened once and never again, but nobody ever made a fuzz about it. Now there is a massive fire spreading, just a bit more massive then the fires back then. No need to go full 2012!


    So, go ahead and enlist for the fire services or donate $100/month and not just for the next two weeks. I am fully aware of the change. I have no car. I ride the bike or walk. I live in a small home with almost no power and heating consumption. I do not drink coffee or smoke (tobacco imports). I was never on a ship or plane for travel. All that stuff you don't care about anyways. But how about YOU?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKusakabe View Post
    Alright, people, the climate change hype train started again *choo chooo*

    Let's be honest: No one of you would change your life considerably to even remotely avoid in future what is happening right now. I've recorded Germany's "Friday for Future" protests and could overhear a local radio station's interview. What people said there was absolutely ridiculous: "I do not drink so much from plastic bottles anymore" - but I heard nobody saying: "I walk or use the bicycle to work".


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    This is so unnecessary. Climate shaming should be the last thing to do when OP is a climate victim. Almost everything you said is so untrue. Bills won't go up by 550% and there are already electric cars and electric planes soon to be developed. Please have some compassion towards wildfire victims instead of shaming people for not doing enough (I guarantee you everyone tried their best). Why do you have such hatred? Greta Thunberg did so much for us and we should be grateful instead of being so cynical. The dangers of being cynical is that we fall into the trap of victim blaming and climate shaming, causing climate victims and climate minorities to not dare to speak up, which is exactly what you're causing right now. Cede the room to Australian wildfire victims please, let them tell the world the grave consequences of climate change. This is not your turn to speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKusakabe View Post
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    I don't drive, but since my family lives rurally, and thus bikes and walking would be too far, they use an electric vehicle. Which, since they own an electric car, electric companies lower your power bill as part of a government scheme, which is pretty nice. Almost 1/3rd of our farm (which is really just a large lifestyle block, we don't do intensive farming) is regenerating native forest, so we are actually have a negative carbon footprint, and my dad is looking into maybe selling some of the carbon credits to get a bit of extra cash to plant some more native trees.
    I have almost finished my degree in ecology, (just 4 more papers!) so I can get a job to help the environment, and since my mum and my husband has been diagnosed with type 2, we don't eat chocolate anymore, and I have never liked coffee.
    Some of us are doing our part :V

    Due to my studies,I've come to the opinion that it's really the large companies that profit off destroying the environment that should be making the greatest change. Many people simply don't have the income to change to better habits for the planet, and work to the bone for those that make a huge amount of money from trashing the environment.
    There was literally a tannery in NZ that was dumping all the waste into the local river, and when they were told to stop, the tannery pretty much said that if they would stop, hundreds of people would lose their jobs, so they got away with it.
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    It's the Asstral Calamity, wrought by the dread primal Bahabutt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKusakabe View Post
    What people said there was absolutely ridiculous: "I do not drink so much from plastic bottles anymore" - but I heard nobody saying: "I walk or use the bicycle to work".
    Plastic is a big issue, and cutting down on the amount of bottles used is definitely not a "ridiculous" step to take. It might not be the biggest or best step, but it's a step, and if everyone did it (and hopefully something else too) then it would have a big impact - more than a small group of people doing everything you listed.

    This is exactly what large-scale climate action is about. Not everyone has the commitment to do every element of what needs doing. But if everyone did something, it adds up to a lot.

    Also, what if the person already rides to work? What if this is an additional resolution they've made, or the first one that came to mind? What if they listed ten different things they're doing, and the radio station cut it down to one point they considered worth mentioning?

    Saying "you wouldn't do all these drastic measures so your contribution isn't significant" is exactly the argument people use to say they don't need to do anything at all. It's the argument our government is making - "we only contribute 1% of global emissions, so it's not our problem" - but if a hundred countries all had 1% each and they all say that.... well.

    You can't hope to do everything. Thats why we need everyone to do a small amount each.
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