Tanking feels unimportant

[Quor]

And thats the issue, if its optional its not really needed asides of giving the impression of being useful , and a difference of someone needing a healing spell or half of it is irrelevant since they will get healed anyways and only adds to overheal. Only on very specific situations is useful and those cases need to preplanned since on that case the DNC is getting healed unless the healers know that the DNC is gonna use all his healing cds (perhaps the DNC had to use them beforehand for some reason so he need healing anyways)

This forum - "entire fights can be pre-planned all the way down to exact GCD and cooldown usage. To do otherwise is sub-optimal play and shouldn't factor into any consideration of job balance or discussion."
Also this forum - "lol maybe something happened before hand I dunno xD"

So, which is it? Answer - it doesn't matter. Both are strong arguments for TBN. Can the fight be planned down to exact cooldown/GCD usage? Then great, you know exactly what's coming and when so you can optimize TBN usage. Can't plan it because something might throw a monkeywrench into the works? Then it's a good thing a tank has a short-CD high-strength instant shield to throw on someone for emergencies. It's almost like what we learned in the level 70 quest - about watching over the weak and protecting them despite the cost to ourselves - is entirely the purpose behind TBN.

[Maeka]

It's almost like what we learned in the level 70 quest - about watching over the weak and protecting them despite the cost to ourselves - is entirely the purpose behind TBN.

Not like your average min-maxer cares about lore and class identity, they just want to do max DPS without having to sacrifice anything for survivability. "Why should I do less damage just so I can help someone else not die? They should help themselves not die by not standing in junk".

Same kind of people who refuse to cast Clemency if someone else is about to die. Some might cast it on the healer early in a boss fight, maybe.

But nope, gotta top them deeps charts. Starting to think I'm colorblind and those aren't blue icons next to PLD/WAR/DRK/GNB, but rather red ones.

[Quor]

Not like your average min-maxer cares about lore and class identity, they just want to do max DPS without having to sacrifice anything for survivability. "Why should I do less damage just so I can help someone else not die? They should help themselves not die by not standing in junk".

Same kind of people who refuse to cast Clemency if someone else is about to die. Some might cast it on the healer early in a boss fight, maybe.

But nope, gotta top them deeps charts. Starting to think I'm colorblind and those aren't blue icons next to PLD/WAR/DRK/GNB, but rather red ones.

Exactly how I feel. To be honest, if the min/maxers and "optimization uber alles" types left the game and never returned, I wouldn't be sad. The last thing this game needs is it's own version of Tigole and the Poopsockers.

[Yorumi]

Not like your average min-maxer cares about lore and class identity, they just want to do max DPS without having to sacrifice anything for survivability. "Why should I do less damage just so I can help someone else not die? They should help themselves not die by not standing in junk".

Same kind of people who refuse to cast Clemency if someone else is about to die. Some might cast it on the healer early in a boss fight, maybe.

But nope, gotta top them deeps charts. Starting to think I'm colorblind and those aren't blue icons next to PLD/WAR/DRK/GNB, but rather red ones.

This is such a gross misscharacterization of people that you're basically posting for no other purpose than pure insult. Insulting people like this in no way helps any discussion, nor does it in any way help your argument or make things better in the community. Just the opposite in fact, it shows an immaturity and ignorance that seeks to do little more than tear other people down to make yourself feel better. If you are so closed minded and unwilling to even properly understand what other people are saying, instead choosing to make up a false image just to insult, then you're not going to make a whole lot of friends or gain much respect.

Many people here have patiently tried to help you understand situations and explain things to you properly and respectfully. If all you care to do in response is greet them with disrespect, contempt, and insult then quite frankly stop posting. You have been shown far more respect on these forums than you deserve or have earned.

[BarretOblivion]

Not like your average min-maxer cares about lore and class identity, they just want to do max DPS without having to sacrifice anything for survivability. "Why should I do less damage just so I can help someone else not die? They should help themselves not die by not standing in junk".

Same kind of people who refuse to cast Clemency if someone else is about to die. Some might cast it on the healer early in a boss fight, maybe.

But nope, gotta top them deeps charts. Starting to think I'm colorblind and those aren't blue icons next to PLD/WAR/DRK/GNB, but rather red ones.

Because that's not my job to watch player's HP? That's healers jobs and role. Not only that I'm not gonna clemency if I am not in my requiscat window, it throws of your rotation considerably if you clemency early and don't have 100% MP when its time to requiscat.

Everyone has a role to do damage in Savage/Ultimate. EVERYONE because EVERYONE HAS TO DO X DAMAGE ELSE YOU WIPE.

[Quor]

Because that's not my job to watch player's HP? That's healers jobs and role. Not only that I'm not gonna clemency if I am not in my requiscat window, it throws of your rotation considerably if you clemency early and don't have 100% MP when its time to requiscat.

Everyone has a role to do damage in Savage/Ultimate. EVERYONE because EVERYONE HAS TO DO X DAMAGE ELSE YOU WIPE.

Seen on the tombstone of Barret's raid after a wipe - "At least he didn't screw up his rotation."

[ReiMakoto]

Seen on the tombstone of Barret's raid after a wipe - "At least he didn't screw up his rotation."

If a wipe was caused by a pld not using clemency, something went very very very wrong before that point, if a wipe is consistently happening because you need you pld as a crutch to heal, your party is bad and isnt clearing. If youre having to watch peoples healthbars instead of your rotation, your party is fundamentally flawed

[Quor]

If a wipe was caused by a pld not using clemency, something went very very very wrong before that point, if a wipe is consistently happening because you need you pld as a crutch to heal, your party is bad and isnt clearing. If youre having to watch peoples healthbars instead of your rotation, your party is fundamentally flawed

"Nothing bad should ever happen. Everything should always go perfect, and if it doesn't then definitely don't alter how you play because you either do it perfectly or gtfo."

This attitude is cancer. We have tools to use for a reason. Or do you just want to ignore the solo heal TEA that happened exactly because of the power of Clemency?

Go on. I'll wait.

[BarretOblivion]

Seen on the tombstone of Barret's raid after a wipe - "At least he didn't screw up his rotation."

Darn straight, because you should be focusing on doing your rotation right... every job should be. Worrying about what my HP at breaks concentration on what list of jobs I have to do during a raid, I got enough to worry about as it is, worrying about something more ain't it. If I have to clemency myself... either the Healers are f***ing up or someone else screwed up leading to the healers falling behind. Clemency only helps for a tiny bit... I can't sit there casting it all the time because news flash. I CAN'T MOVE AND I AM NOT A HEALER! You're not going to tech someone else how to get better at a fight by covering their arse, they need to face the punishment of screw ups to learn... else you are just babying people and they won't get better. My focus on I AM NOT GOING TO SCREW UP and as a tank try to help my co-tank with vokes and OT skills. I am not going to heal him with clemency, that's the healers job. IF I did heal him with clemency we get issues with overhealing because my healers unlike how you think every healer seems to be a complete idiot are reliable, so worrying about healing someone else is not only insulting to them... but is a waste of time because 99/100 the healers are going to be healing him before I even finish my clemency cast.

(Again clemency you have to hard cast outside of requiscat, another reason no PLD in their right mind is going to cast clemency outside of Requiscat)