Tanking feels unimportant

[Gojin]

Well after what I seen on a twitch stream they should just adjust the dungeons as free for alls at this point, where just any types of roles can go in and get it done just to cut down on DPS queues. Someone queued without a tank, 3 dps one healer and cleared an expert dungeon no problem.

[Yorumi]

Well after what I seen on a twitch stream they should just adjust the dungeons as free for alls at this point, where just any types of roles can go in and get it done just to cut down on DPS queues. Someone queued without a tank, 3 dps one healer and cleared an expert dungeon no problem.

They actually did that in SWTOR. You think there are issues now try that, it's the most boring thing you've ever seen.

[MerlinCross]

They actually did that in SWTOR. You think there are issues now try that, it's the most boring thing you've ever seen.

But how fast do the dungeons go by in that game?

[Yorumi]

But how fast do the dungeons go by in that game?

about the same as the dungeons here honestly. No one actually wanted to run dungeons in that game and basically did them to get a weekly value. You could argue it's similar here but it got so bad in that game they literally turned it into a single player game. The problem is when you cannot guarantee a tank and healer in the party you cannot do any interesting mechanics or even let the bosses do anything remotely approaching meaningful damage. You only think dungeons are easy now. Imagine if the monsters you can solo in this game had their hp raised about 10 times and that was it. You fight them with 4 dps and they do no more damage, if not less, than they do now and that's a dungeon boss. It was mindnumbingly stupid.

That game and GW2 taught me that even a bad implementation of the trinity is better than no trinity. It's kind of like you don't actually know what you have until it's gone. As much as I think they do need to do something with this game I'll take what we have with no changes a million times over the mess than SWTOR became.

[Xtrasweettea]

Well after what I seen on a twitch stream they should just adjust the dungeons as free for alls at this point, where just any types of roles can go in and get it done just to cut down on DPS queues. Someone queued without a tank, 3 dps one healer and cleared an expert dungeon no problem.

This isn't new. Heck, this isn't even unique to this game.

Whenever a group of players get to a point to where the resources for keeping the group alive in a tankless group the same or less than the resources for keeping the group alive in a group with a tank, tanks will start being excluded in content. The same goes for groups that have more than one healer. If one healer (or no healer) can keep the group alive with the same amount of resources or less, Healers will start being excluded.

It all comes down to preventing down-time and allowing most of the population to participate in content (which is usually DPS).

[Maeka]

Or, we could go the opposite direction and make Duty Finder entirely useless and implement Savage Dungeons that you can't queue up for, and those are the only dungeons that yield anything worthwhile to the player. *eyeroll* One of the reasons I quit WoW. Group Finder content is entirely useless, so why do it? I don't feel like sitting around trying to beg people to let me into PUGs. What is this, 2008?

[DRKoftheAzure]

@Quor

Are you talking about Stormblood TBN or Shadowbringers TBN? Because those are 2 VERY DIFFERENT skills...

[Quor]

@Quor

Are you talking about Stormblood TBN or Shadowbringers TBN? Because those are 2 VERY DIFFERENT skills...

I figured it was obvious (since SB TBN didn't have a feedback loop) but I'm referring to ShB TBN. Where it provides a free Edge or Flood via Dark Arts if the shield gets broken.

[MerlinCross]

What part about healer shields for the party do you not understand???? Those will proc it, healer AoE's will proc it. Just prep use it before the raid wide AoE or spam, decent healers will use shields for the party and would you look at that, viel is proc'd.

If that's the case, why does Paladin actually need it besides every tank having some take on it. It's not the PLD's responsibility at this point, it's the Healers, so just take the skill and give it to the Healer. But hey, keep showing why you want Clemancy deleted and passing any other responsibility on to others so you can do more damage with your weak percentage now.

Not used to heal and not used to pop Veil now, what purpose do you use it for when you give both parts of that combo over to the healers?

Shhh, don't tell him about coordination and teamplay.

Teamplay should be a bit of give and take, working together, not "Hey use this ability for me cause I sure as heck won't". Maybe we find a way to put some ability for another role on each of them for more teamplay.

I figured it was obvious (since SB TBN didn't have a feedback loop) but I'm referring to ShB TBN. Where it provides a free Edge or Flood via Dark Arts if the shield gets broken.

SB TBN had feedback just not as a loop though and I thought it was fine back then.

[FirstnameLastname]

Teamplay should be a bit of give and take, working together, not "Hey use this ability for me cause I sure as heck won't".

And people are working together to proc Divine Veil, as is intended.

What do you gain from trying to stay ignorant so hard?