What healers could stand to lose.

[Saefinn]

Can't help but think a lot of these suggestions come from a lack of high end content healing experience. I'll admit this savage tier was relatively easy so I can see where the confusion would come from since you don't need your full healing kit, but still.

As I've argued in other threads the healing toolkit is not appropriate for the content we've got. I don't think it's a bad kit (if anything I think it's a better healing toolkit versus SB), just not appropriate.

Though it does raise the issue: the disparity between, casual, semi casual and non-casual content. Non-high end raid content needs to be interesting to heal, for example.

[Sloprano]

I wouldn't mind seeing the following go on SCH:
* Indom
* Excog
* Seraph + Consolation
* Recitation
* Fey Union
* Sacred Soil heal trait
* Broil III/II/I
* Art of War
* Chain Strat
* Aetherflow combat requirement

Going by the same idea to cut down on oGCD potency and cooldowns with all that healing potency be transferred to Lily. Also it would be a tearful goodbye to the Broils familiy and AoW but on the positive side Bio, Miasma, Bio 2, Bane, Shadowflare and Miasma 2 could come back from their undiclosed holiday, on the negative: .

Not the thread for it, but also bring back Selene.

Can't help but think a lot of these suggestions come from a lack of high end content healing experience. I'll admit this savage tier was relatively easy so I can see where the confusion would come from since you don't need your full healing kit, but still.

Though it does raise the issue: the disparity between, casual, semi casual and non-casual content. Non-high end raid content needs to be interesting to heal, for example.

I'll be first to admit I clamor for healing changes with only Extremes under my belt and barely toes dipped in Savage with the FC for giggles this expansion, but the again most fun I've had in this game on SCH was far away from the things in the High-End tab.

We had Savage and Extremes in 3.0, even in 2.0. I didn't enter them there either, but I ran a lot of other stuff, even fates, just for the kick of it on SCH. And I suppose this is where it clashes as I keep feeling SCH is hypertuned for their role in a couple particular fights and not the leveling, quests, guildhests, fates, low-level to high-level roulettes like I used to find it.

Looking back at 3.0 I'm with Saefinn that Indom doesn't fit and it was the beginning of the problems as 4.0 saw introduction of Excog. Healing could be tense when I had to fall back on Physick and manually using Embrace, that was fun. All these press button recieve bacon skills pushing GCDs and the pet hotbar out is not particular engaging.

Is why I find Blu is so very refreshing to heal with their gcds and with it's success SE reintroduce older skillsets to be swapped in as choices. Current iteration still existing as it seems optimized for the difficult fights, yet those like me could take all the dots, debuffs and pet hotbars and join Blu Mages in making a random mob's life miserable.

[Volkaj]

Looking back at 3.0 I'm with Saefinn that Indom doesn't fit and it was the beginning of the problems as 4.0 saw introduction of Excog. Healing could be tense when I had to fall back on Physick and manually using Embrace, that was fun. All these press button recieve bacon skills pushing GCDs and the pet hotbar out is not particular engaging.

I personally don't understand this needless push towards GCD heals a lot of people in these forums seem to have. Ever since MP costs became irrelevant outside mass rezzing OGCD skills have always required more thought and planning because their proper use requires weaving and working around their cooldown (opportunity cost). Whereas GCD heals are literally just press button, get heal. This goes even deeper for SCH, since their Aetherflow skills have a DPS/MP cost as well through Energy Drain.

[WaxSw]

I personally don't understand this needless push towards GCD heals a lot of people in these forums seem to have. Ever since MP costs became irrelevant outside mass rezzing OGCD skills have always required more thought and planning because their proper use requires weaving and working around their cooldown (opportunity cost). Whereas GCD heals are literally just press button, get heal. This goes even deeper for SCH, since their Aetherflow skills have a DPS/MP cost as well through Energy Drain.

This, just this, Sch identity is being the "smart boi" with the fairy, remove the aetherflow heals, remove the ogcd, remove things like seraph, ED, indom, recitation and you'll get just a dumb healer that doesnt have to plan anything with a fairy that is useless most of the time.

I really can't understand people who wants indom, excog, seraph, recitation, fey union, etc... gone or think they're useless when those are the heals that give depht to the healing, like for me that kind of players sound like that people who haven't done anything moderately "hard" with the job and due to that they don't understand how it works.

[Irenia]

I personally don\\'t understand this needless push towards GCD heals a lot of people in these forums seem to have. Ever since MP costs became irrelevant outside mass rezzing OGCD skills have always required more thought and planning because their proper use requires weaving and working around their cooldown (opportunity cost). Whereas GCD heals are literally just press button, get heal. This goes even deeper for SCH, since their Aetherflow skills have a DPS/MP cost as well through Energy Drain.

From what I can tell, it's because they feel that unless your main heal is a GCD heal, you less of a healer than one that does. It was the vibe that I got reading the BLU healer thread on this forum, at least, given that job can only GCD heal, and it was seen as a step in the right direction. I think there is value in the design myself, but you would have to design it in a very BLM fashion, I think. WHM is kinda close - you only have bene, tetra, and benison as plain direct heals and shields. If they got more skills like Plenary and Asylum that enhanced GCD heals instead of replace them it could fill that fantasy better.

Of course, the game would still reward spending as many actions on ending the fight faster, so not much would change, really.

[Flay_wind]

From what I can tell, it's because they feel that unless your main heal is a GCD heal, you less of a healer than one that does. It was the vibe that I got reading the BLU healer thread on this forum, at least, given that job can only GCD heal, and it was seen as a step in the right direction.

It's not just your heals being only GCD heals. As a BLU (healer) you also have up to 5 (currently) damage OGCDs. You have your 2 parts combo DoT to maintain. You have 2 spells with matching cooldowns to weave said OGCDs. You can do a lot of stuff during downtime and not just press 1 button over and over.
Also you have decent ward and White Wind which potentially can be an AoE Benediction, if used right.