PLDs: You have Clemency for a reason.

[Mavrias]

.....and people who say *that* are people who likely have not played healer, because they haven't experienced the heart pounding stress of some tank that grabs 3 groups of mobs who goes from 100% down to 30% in the time it takes you to cast two hard-casted spells, knowing that if he dies, the whole group is going to be following him right after.

Swiftcast+Raise in that situation only lets the tank eat yet another death because by the time he gets on his feet the last person is dropping dead and then the tank dies immediately again, for the 2nd time.

EDIT: And/or they've never played AST, lol.

Swiftcast Adlo> AoW >Lustrate >AoW> Excog > AoW spam

For astro: ED > gravity >opposition > gravity spam

[Magnedeus]

"Sighs" i wish a mod would come and remove this thread already. As i have said in a previous post, This thread is meaningless and stupid and the OP still hasn't learned a thing. You know why the OP hasn't learned a thing? Because he/she is arguing and fighting with others just for the sake of arguing, Which is a reportable offense on these forums. Last time i checked, these forums exist to help people and while a mass majority of posters here have helped with simple explanations, the OP is not understanding what is being explained to them only to retaliate to helpful posts with petty/rude posts.

[MerlinCross]

People claiming that tank should have to heal himself probably never played the tank on their own.

Tanks job is dynamic and fast in dungeons especially with big pulls, there is stuff to manage like directing mobs in proper way so they dont cleave the rest of the team, dodging aoes (so you wont die instantly), manage deffensive cooldowns, do the dps rotation properly and in point.

Sorry but this is straight up disrespectful to the tank that does his job properly to expect from him to read healers mind and do healers own job that is literally the slowest job from all the classes in the game especially if the healer is only healing and not doing extra dps.

Should? No.

Could? Well yeah if they have a moment to spare in their AoE spam, yes I'm not going to complain if the tank decides to pop Clemency.

[Makeda]

Half the time it's healers saying use your self heals, half the time they're saying not to...

But either way the wipes past the first are on the tank... because you need to not act based on the chat bar but based on the healer you get. If they can't keep you up pull slower and mitigate + self heal more...

Part of a tank's role is gauging the flow and adjusting...

First wipe... maybe on both tank and healer.... because you should be able to ramp down pulling and ramp up mitigation before wiping unless the healer is actively bad... and I need more than the OP showed to call it...

But after one wipe a good tank can adjust down even with a bad healer...

[PeppermintBrown]

We do have clemency for a reason.

As a backup heal. If healers are dead etc. Paladin MP under normal circumstances should be going into our requiscat phase not clemency. Only when crap hits the fan should we be blowing it on clemency to help smooth things over. It's situational utility not part of our normal rotation.

[Valic]

Its still 2 GCDs. Just because one is instant, doesn't mean casting vercure twice isn't eating 2 GCDs.

And? Big woop. 2 GCD's versus a dead dps for longer than 2 GCD's.

[Mavrias]

And? Big woop. 2 GCD's versus a dead dps for longer than 2 GCD's.

You said it's one GCD because of dualcast. That's factually incorrect.

Also, I hate to break it to you, chief, but if the red mage casting vercure is going to make or break your clear, you're already going to wipe.

[PeppermintBrown]

Vercure like clemency can be useful in a pinch. But if it's being used, it should be becuase things have gone south and you're trying to recover, not standard procedure.

[Valic]

You said it's one GCD because of dualcast. That's factually incorrect.

Also, I hate to break it to you, chief, but if the red mage casting vercure is going to make or break your clear, you're already going to wipe.

I hate it break it to you lass, but that's not always true. Shit happens believe it or not,and while it's tchnincally 2 GCD's, it acts as the equivalent of one. Regardless of that case, my point still stands that a RDM just like a PLD and any other job should cosid4er their full kit and not just zone directly on dps 100% of the time. If you have raises, heals, shields, etc, there's no reason you shouldn't use them when the situation calls for it. If you can't agree on that end, we have nothing to discuss.

Vercure like clemency can be useful in a pinch. But if it's being used, it should be becuase things have gone south and you're trying to recover, not standard procedure.

precisely.

[Mavrias]

I hate it break it to you lass, but that's not always true. Shit happens believe it or not,and while it's tchnincally 2 GCD's, it acts as the equivalent of one. Regardless of that case, my point still stands that a RDM just like a PLD and any other job should cosid4er their full kit and not just zone directly on dps 100% of the time. If you have raises, heals, shields, etc, there's no reason you shouldn't use them when the situation calls for it. If you can't agree on that end, we have nothing to discuss.




precisely.

I feel like you don't actually know how GCDs work.

Raises, sure if the healers are dead or like 3 people have died at once. Shields, yeah, sure. Spamming single target GCD heals that barely do more than a Cure 1? Very unlikely to be helpful.