Viera head gear -_-

[reivaxe]

Like it or not this is a design decision. They never intended to go back and make every head gear work for them, they have made their design rules for Viera and Hrothgar very clear.

Any hat or helm that covers the top of the head is a no go. You can get the tiny Copied Factory Raid head gear hat and wear the hoods but don't expect to suddenly get helms or such. New PVP gear, you can wear the mask and visors but not the healer hat. Latest dng gear that wouldn't be a prob for Hrothgar at all is a no go cause neither get to wear hats.

The simple fact that people can't seem to see the pattern in what they do and don't allow to work for Viera is part of why I think the devs moves on to saying that they would only get unique race hairs moving forward. There's a number of shared hairs that could work and a number that just wouldn't, give people one and they will expect the rest regardless.

I say this cause I feel that if you're holding out hope that they will "fix" this problem you're wasting your time ... they made a design decision, they're not gonna make every new head gear work on them nor are they gonna go back and make more old ones work. So save yourself the trouble and race change if you're not happy with this. Or old out hope that when they get new hairs it's a good number of them.

[Destati]

Like it or not this is a design decision. They never intended to go back and make every head gear work for them, they have made their design rules for Viera and Hrothgar very clear.

Except before the races were even released it was stated that they did intend to go back and do so:

It won't be displayed, because those face parts wouldn't work in FFXIV's system if headgear were involved. Even Viera ears would've had to be moved down to where Miqo'te ears are. It would've been meaningless if you couldn't go all-out creating characters from these new races, so we decided that helmets wouldn't be necessary. You can equip them, but they won't be displayed. However, things that replace the head are OK, like the snowman head, fat chocobo head, etc. No glasses. Basically, the default is that it won't be shown, and only things that replace the head are ok. We'll make more things compatible over time, bit by bit, but they won't be compatible at launch.

(Links to the interview found here.)

As an aside I can't help but have this ridiculous concern that with all the players Fantasia'ing back to other races from Viera/Hrothgar, the devs might take it to mean that they aren't nearly as popular as other races and not bother to waste time/resources on fixing these issues. Probably not the case, just a little nagging feeling I have...

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

As an aside I can't help but have this ridiculous concern that with all the players Fantasia'ing back to other races from Viera/Hrothgar, the devs might take it to mean that they aren't nearly as popular as other races and not bother to waste time/resources on fixing these issues. Probably not the case, just a little nagging feeling I have...

Nah, I dont think we have to worry about that my man. I'd like to think they expected negative reception, obviously not many people would like or be ok with No/Limited head options. But they addressed the Headgear Situation already as you have posted. And they have addressed the Hairstyle situation a long time ago.
There are people like myself that love the new races, and will be patient and await the coming additions. I LOVE my Hrothgar Alt, will be very exciting when new stuff is patched in

[reivaxe]

Except before the races were even released it was stated that they did intend to go back and do so:

Re-read that friendo, that was said BEFORE the "OHHHH MY GOD! Look at what the dev team did behind my back! " post.

The plan was this.
At release they would have NOTHING but stuff like snowman head and they would work on releasing some stuff bit by bit. (You can equip them, but they won't be displayed. However, things that replace the head are OK, like the snowman head, fat chocobo head, etc. No glasses. Basically, the default is that it won't be shown, and only things that replace the head are ok.)

Devs took it upon themselves to bang out that work load on their own free time behind his back. That is why on release they had glasses and such. Yay, the devs made "500+ head gears work" that were planned to be worked on and released later.

That is over. They did what that quote said they were gonna do but instead of "lil by lil" it was banged out for release without him knowing.

You can believe they will slide in 6 months from now to make random SB/ HW/ ARR/ AF and so on hats work if you want, I believe you will be disappointed. The items that do work all follow a pretty damn clear pattern that they have stuck with on recent releases.

[Destati]

Re-read that friendo, that was said BEFORE the "OHHHH MY GOD! Look at what the dev team did behind my back! " post.

The plan was this.
At release they would have NOTHING but stuff like snowman head and they would work on releasing some stuff bit by bit. (You can equip them, but they won't be displayed. However, things that replace the head are OK, like the snowman head, fat chocobo head, etc. No glasses. Basically, the default is that it won't be shown, and only things that replace the head are ok.)

Devs took it upon themselves to bang out that work load on their own free time behind his back. That is why on release they had glasses and such. Yay, the devs made "500+ head gears work" that were planned to be worked on and released later.

That is over. They did what that quote said they were gonna do but instead of "lil by lil" it was banged out for release without him knowing.

Glasses and so forth would not display either at first, but after seeing how many people called for us to do something, anything, to address this after the announcement, the character team took it upon themselves to use their spare moments to make it possible—without telling me. More than five hundred and forty such items were carefully modified by our designers so that all would display correctly with our new face models.

How about you re-read, friendo, and tell me where was it specifically stated that the 500+ items that were made compatible were the only ones planned? Where/when was it stated that "it is over"? It was never said that they weren't going to work on retroactively fitting more headpieces to the new races. Translation can very well have an impact on how things are interpreted but the wording in the above quote implies that out of the thousands of headpieces in the game, 500 were able to be fitted earlier than planned.

[reivaxe]

How about you re-read, friendo, and tell me where was it specifically stated that the 500+ items that were made compatible were the only ones planned? Where/when was it stated that "it is over"? It was never said that they weren't going to work on retroactively fitting more headpieces to the new races. Translation can very well have an impact on how things are interpreted but the wording in the above quote implies that out of the thousands of headpieces in the game, 500 were able to be fitted earlier than planned.

It's called context clues and using logic.

-Not gonna be able to use all head gear but some head gear planned to be worked on post release. And we plan to released it bit by bit, but basically nothing on release.
-Wowzers, the team went behind my back and made over 500 head gears work for them! This was work planned for post release that they did on their own time
- (Said head gear is very much all the non-hat/ helm head gear in this game at that time)
- NEW head gears comes out with the expac and they simply do not allow new hats or helms to work with these races.
- NEW head gear follows the same pattern as the head gear on release
- "Bu-bu-but they never SAID that was it though!"

If they were gonna make HATS and HELMS work from past expacs then ... why would they exclude them from the new ones? What would be the point in waiting to make the new Healer PvP hat work when all the NEW PvP mask and visors work or make the recent dng's hats work months after release?
You can sit here and get all huffy about them not making good on what you think is a promise, I'm telling you that looking at the reality of the situation you should not expect them to buck this pattern.

I mean, you got anything saying that hats and helms will come?

He said not making it the ONLY reward..giving us more would not be bad for anyone.

So they need to make MORE things for this lil event just to make it fair?

[Alleo]

I mean, you got anything saying that hats and helms will come?

In the link he posted its outright stated that more and more will come with time.

We'll make more things compatible over time, bit by bit, but they won't be compatible at launch.

Also we did get headgear since the release of shadowbringer that work for the new races.

So they need to make MORE things for this lil event just to make it fair?

Yes, which in turn would be great for everyone since it would mean more rewards than just helmets that most of the people will just put away because the just look horrible for a lot of us anyways.

If you go around and limit something then you need to give those people something in exchange. Otherwise they are paying the exact amount of money as others but will get less for it. And seeing how their sub numbers is over a million with shadowbringers they will surely have the money to create a bit more than those few things for an event.

(But I am also of the opinion that a lot of their events are bad..)

[reivaxe]

In the link he posted its outright stated that more and more will come with time.

We'll make more things compatible over time, bit by bit, but they won't be compatible at launch.

Also we did get headgear since the release of shadowbringer that work for the new races.

Not sure whats being lost here.
Before I waste more time, did they EVER say that hats and helms would be added? That ALL head gear would work at any point in time?
Cause right now there are a ton of head gears that do work ... head gear meaning things like Glasses/ visors/ mask/ face stuff in general/ horns. Everything but hats and helms. "We'll make more things compatible over time" =/= "we're going to make hats and helms work"

I mean ... "It won't be displayed, because those face parts wouldn't work in FFXIV's system if headgear were involved. Even Viera ears would've had to be moved down to where Miqo'te ears are. " coupled with the fact that even new gear does not break the no hats or helms pattern would kinda give you a hint that you shouldn't be waiting around for them to release hats and helms later.


(Also, read the rest of my post. I talk about how we get new head gear that works IF it's not a hat or helm. Why is that? Could it be that I'm right and they don't intend to make hats and helms work and that what they had planned for "post release bit-by-bit work" was just the release stuff that is legit every non-hat/ helm in the game?)

Yes,

Cool, we gonna have to disagree.
It would be a waste of time to make timed event stuff that's just there to be used by these 2 bods.

Or just make the one event item that's always a headpiece, compatible with all races.

So take away these silly animal helms and replace them with some head wear everyone could wear on their head just cause Viera and Hrothgar can't where helms?
That's silly to me.

[DrForester]

So they need to make MORE things for this lil event just to make it fair?

Or just make the one event item that's always a headpiece, compatible with all races.