Viera head gear -_-

[LinaNyx]

I realized that when I logged in today to do the Heavensturn event that I've completely stopped being surprised when new items just can't be worn by my viera. The fact that I realized that I'm not even surprised anymore is a little depressing. I love how my Viera looks (especially in cutscenes) much better than my old Hyur that I ran around as before. But I miss having a wider range of hairstyles and head pieces that I could switch around. Now I look at all the gear and hairstyles that I worked for or bought just sitting there being useless and I keep hoping that they will get around to fixing that but that hope dies a little bit more every time I see new items added in game that I simply can't use.

Now I don't know a lot about code or what goes into games but when I see that random old head pieces are able to be used I'm just really confused about why new items can't be used. For example the werewolf ears just completely hide viera bunny ears so I'm not sure what the problem is with helmets or hoods? Again I really don't know what is and is not possible but I am disappointed.

Anyone else have thoughts about this or info I've missed about what SE is doing about headgear for viera/hrothgar?

[LaylaTsarra]

I find it a bit disturbing that NEW ITEMS aren't made to fit Viera. I hope this changes and that we get some relief soon. 5.2 needs to be a turning point in the availability of hairstyles and other related items. I find it hard to understand why it's taking so long at this point.

[EtherRose]

I find it a bit disturbing that NEW ITEMS aren't made to fit Viera. I hope this changes and that we get some relief soon. 5.2 needs to be a turning point in the availability of hairstyles and other related items. I find it hard to understand why it's taking so long at this point.

There are multiple reasons why it's taking so long.

1. Viera and Hrothgar were never meant to be added to the game but Yoshi said screw it and added them because people wanted them (Mainly Viera).
2. I'm sure the team is stretched thin with other titles being worked on and released like FF7 Remake and the next expansion for FF14.
3. Headgear for a race that was never meant to be added to the game is on the bottom of the bucket list over content/expansion/other titles.
4. Same as 3, but gender counterparts are bottom of bucket list as well.

Short story. It's why only 1 gender was released for these races and not everything is right. They were never meant to be added because it takes time and resources. Head management said no. Yoshi said do it anyway. So basically people are complaining about something that they were lucky to even get.

[Yencat]

There are multiple reasons why it's taking so long.

1. Viera and Hrothgar were never meant to be added to the game but Yoshi said screw it and added them because people wanted them (Mainly Viera).
2. I'm sure the team is stretched thin with other titles being worked on and released like FF7 Remake and the next expansion for FF14.
3. Headgear for a race that was never meant to be added to the game is on the bottom of the bucket list over content/expansion/other titles.
4. Same as 3, but gender counterparts are bottom of bucket list as well.

Short story. It's why only 1 gender was released for these races and not everything is right. They were never meant to be added because it takes time and resources. Head management said no. Yoshi said do it anyway. So basically people are complaining about something that they were lucky to even get.

Sorry, but what? Of course they were "meant to be added" or they wouldn't have added them. People ask for plenty of things they never end up adding to the game, and sometimes they even say they will and only half do it (Egi glamours) They didn't whip up these races in an afternoon to push them out the door last minute.

No headgear is in part a design choice and a technical difficulty in their incredibly rigid character creator, I don't doubt they're stretched thin for resources/manpower but they shouldn't get a pass because of that.

[EtherRose]

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I don't think both of you understand. Let me re-quote again. It doesn't matter if plans were made public. If Head Management says "No don't do this because it costs more resources and time" and Yoshi does it anyway because fans wanted it it doesn't mean that they "Were meant to be added". Time and resources. That's the main problem when creating new playable races. They could have easily made a non-playable beast race to replace Viera and Hrothgar in the story and it would save them time and resources and not release what is out now. And Yoshi also specifically stated that the problem with creating new playable races was, oh let me say it again, Time and Resources. And he said this like a while back in previous letters and was reluctant to add another playable race yet 2.

But when they do try to add stuff for fans and please you guys, You still complain regardless no matter what they do. No patience.

[Sheriyana]

I don't think both of you understand. Let me re-quote again. It doesn't matter if plans were made public. If Head Management says "No don't do this because it costs more resources and time" and Yoshi does it anyway because fans wanted it it doesn't mean that they "Were meant to be added". Time and resources. That's the main problem when creating new playable races. They could have easily made a non-playable beast race to replace Viera and Hrothgar in the story and it would save them time and resources and not release what is out now. And Yoshi also specifically stated that the problem with creating new playable races was, oh let me say it again, Time and Resources. And he said this like a while back in previous letters and was reluctant to add another playable race yet 2.

But when they do try to add stuff for fans and please you guys, You still complain regardless no matter what they do. No patience.

So we should just be thankful whenever they release unfinished content? I think you misunderstand something about the consumer-company relationship. It's not the customer's job to be understanding, make excuses for the company and hope for the product to be finished some time in their life. It's up to the company to deliver a satisfying and finished product. Of course it reflects badly on them if they release unfinished features, people are allowed to be disappointed, we're paying for this. It's their job to keep the customer satisfied. Stop being a corporate apologist, they're not paying you anything to make excuses for them.

More related to the topic at hand, the least they could do is provide us some updates, tell people that stuff is being worked on. This "telling people that stuff will be added at some point and then never mentioning it again" approach is completely unacceptable and only serves to make people upset.

[Yencat]

I don't think both of you understand. Let me re-quote again. It doesn't matter if plans were made public. If Head Management says "No don't do this because it costs more resources and time" and Yoshi does it anyway because fans wanted it it doesn't mean that they "Were meant to be added". Time and resources. That's the main problem when creating new playable races. They could have easily made a non-playable beast race to replace Viera and Hrothgar in the story and it would save them time and resources and not release what is out now. And Yoshi also specifically stated that the problem with creating new playable races was, oh let me say it again, Time and Resources. And he said this like a while back in previous letters and was reluctant to add another playable race yet 2.

But when they do try to add stuff for fans and please you guys, You still complain regardless no matter what they do. No patience.

You can't be serious with this. Do you think Yoshida just goes rogue like some sort of champion for the people adding stuff without approval? I'm sure he has some leeway and sway in the company, but when the bean counters and higher ups say no they do mean no and it doesn't happen.

If they don't plan to fully support new races or it's too difficult; stop adding them! But now they've added them so is it really such a grave sin people are critical of the choices they made? I'm sure Hrothgar players are beyond grateful paying 7 euros everytime they want to change their hair, how dare they. So impatient.

Nobody is calling for pitchforks, tar and feathers so why not let people complain and commiserate on the Official Forums where the feedback might actually reach them?

[Midareyukki]

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1 - We have evidence of plannings for Viera, though several factors led to those plans being shelved. And Yoshida has commented on how before Shadowbringers the dev team was thinking of adding Ronsos. Viera was bundled up due to fan demands. So yes, at some point in development, BOTH these races were considered and meant to be added. Even if they didn't come as intended, or in the timespan that was intended, it still does not nullify this.

2 - The team may be stretched thin (Square Enix does relocate human resources from one team to another. This is theorized to be why we don't have Carbuncle glamours, as the person who made them may no longer be working in the team), but this does not excuse them. If all you're thinking of is the future but never think of the present, you're only going to fall into the same spiral 1.x did, where you release things for the sake of releasing them, hoping future content somehow saves you. And we both know full well how that turned out. And this is an MMO. It's the sort of game that is both alive, active and constantly maintained. We're not at the level of FF11 where the servers are up but no new content is pushed. Resources must be allocated and are often relocated, yes, but they have to be aware of what the scope of their projects require.


3 - So? You're hiding behind the premiss that "oh these races were never meant to be added", despite plans for them being made public, even if some were shelved or changed along development. But again: focus on the present. The races have been released, have they not? So this argument has no reason to still be touted; the races are here, they deserve as much attention as any other race. Otherwise, what, are we playing with Limited Races now? As far as I'm aware, such was not advertised. Now that that's out of the way, we can also point out how there has been another race included to the game 2 expansions prior. Au Ra got the same level of attention, albeit many people still called it shoddy on account to clipping problems. Nor was the game as big as it currently is. Short story, "it wasn't meant to be added" does not excuse a lack of trying. And trust me, people are grateful that they got these races to begin with. But that doesn't exempt them from criticism.

4 - Gender counterparts can be added later. Thing is, you're lumping two entirely different scopes. Gender counterparts, as the development team has already expressed, can take quite the train of thought and resources in development. We know that it was a headache for them to make concepts for male viera because their ideas could potentially not be well received. Not to mention all the work making models and animations for these would be, in comparison to hats. At worst, Hrothgar heads would give them a harder time. But even then, nothing is without solution.

[Midareyukki]

I see a lot of people complaining that others are complaining too much about this topic. But people have every single right to criticize it, especially if the flaws persist. It feels like that sort of attitude only covers up more and more mistakes, by saying others are doing a bad thing by reacting negatively and feeling bad for not being able to access content for so long. Particularly after the community having shown support and enjoyment for these races. In the end, that sort of attitude only provides shelter.
And often, this is from people that don't even play these races to feel bothered. And even if they did and were fine with the constant lack of things to these races, it doesn't mean the rest of the people around them should be as well. And if they point it out, what, can't they complain? Can't they ask for a more complete game?

I love the devs. I respect the everliving hell out of these devs in particular. Yoshida most of all, particularly after the way FF14 has been growing after the way the game initially launched. I don't think I have ever seen a developer quite like him. But he's not God; he's human, he's flawed and he can make mistakes. And like any other human, there will be people pointing out those mistakes and disagreeing with his choices. They're no saints for having given us races that the community has been asking for for a long while. At best, they're pretty cool people and deserve respect and understanding. At the end of the day, they made a conscious decision to include them, did they not?

So as much as I actually do love the dev team and am thankful for all they have done and plan to do, I, as a player and their fan, as a human person just as much as them, can insist for them to focus on trying to improve these races a bit more. Because it doesn't look too well to have them singled out for so long after the launch. Am I lucky to have them? I guess... as lucky as I am to play all the rest of the game, I feel. But then again, I don't feel like I'm enjoying these races as much as the rest of the game. The lack of stuff for them and the way Hrothgar in particular are feel far too much.

So yeah. Would I give up some content in the future to have what we currently have be improved upon? Absolutely. Because I'm not playing that future content yet. I am, however, playing the current content. And the current content, as much as it was likely to be a pain for them to add and we should be (and we are) grateful that they did manage to give it to us, has flaws. Flaws that do require attention.

But oh well. Just like everyone else, I'm just some rando on the internet. It won't change anyone's minds nor will it be an inspirational thing to cause change. All this is is really just me trying to understand why it is that people are so bothered. Is it because it's persistant? If it is, then see it from our perspective. This is a persistant problem. One that is far beyond some optional content; to play the game you NEED a character. And I'm sorry, but I'd rather play Hrothgar or Viera (or what have you), and don't feel too keen on Lalafell (or what have you). And knowing that I'm essentially limiting myself out of stuff just because I don't care much for all the other races... well. It feels bad man.

[reivaxe]

All this is is really just me trying to understand why it is that people are so bothered.

I don't think it's people being "bothered" so much as they're just people going " ... Shrug?".

Like I read things saying "It's been 5-6-7+months and we still haven't been given new hairs! WTF?!?"

Anyone who cares to keep up on the topic would know that they flat out told us that yeah, they're working on new hairs and new Hrothgar manes and faces. But they would come after/ at a slower pace than the hair for OTHER races. We have only, in the most recent BIG patch, been given new hair for other races for the first time this expac .. right? So according to info that's out there for everyone to look into the clock only starts now. The next patch would be the first time you could legit expect it given what they said.

"Where are my hats and helms? Why don't NEW hats and helms work?"

They've made it clear that this is a design decision for the races from the very conceptual stage, these are no "flaws" to them. They decided to go the unique head route and told us there would be head gear restrictions from the start ... we have more than enough proof that they don't intend to make hats and helms work.

Like, I get being disappointed .. I do. If you like a race and want these things you're gonna want them sooner and not later. But they have laid out all this stuff months ago so .. shrug? Not sure what all there is to say with what we got.