Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Was it worth it? Now that Hrothgar and Viera can't use earned /mog station bought hair styles, now that their is demand for female Hrothgar as well, now that the question of lessened content of one less dungeon opens oh so important valuable time and resources for those much need additions? By trying circumvent the issue, they shot themselves in the foot.

Nah, I think they are fine. Im sure they have a plan here that we can't see.
There is negative reception right now, but I have faith that things will get turned around and all of this will just be something we can laugh at in the future.
I chose to believe that, and Ill wait for the future to tell me if Im wrong or not.

[reivaxe]

Really wish this salt would end lol

People, please realize that adding a new race is the most expensive cosmetic thing they could do. Adding in a new race means that every single thing they make that a player character can do or wear is now that much harder. "But the game makes so much money!" yeah, and what? It's still a game that was made in a mad dash to save a dumpster fire of a game with missed up coding, the devs have BEEN hitting their limits on what they can do with this game for sometime now. So I see no reason to think they're bsing when they say it's not an issue that can be solved by just throwing money at it, the way gear works in this game makes it hard to keep adding new player character models.

And what's with this Hrothgar hate? lmao, they're more popular than male elezen according to the most resent census and more popular than the whole Roe race even while having this stupid mane system ... but they don't add diversity cause you don't personally see them as often as cat girls and apparently no one wanted them? kk

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Really wish this salt would end lol

People, please realize that adding a new race is the most expensive cosmetic thing they could do. Adding in a new race means that every single thing they make that a player character can do or wear is now that much harder. "But the game makes so much money!" yeah, and what? It's still a game that was made in a mad dash to save a dumpster fire of a game with missed up coding, the devs have BEEN hitting their limits on what they can do with this game for sometime now. So I see no reason to think they're bsing when they say it's not an issue that can be solved by just throwing money at it, the way gear works in this game makes it hard to keep adding new player character models.

And what's with this Hrothgar hate? lmao, they're more popular than male elezen according to the most resent census and more popular than the whole Roe race even while having this stupid mane system ... but they don't add diversity cause you don't personally see them as often as cat girls and apparently no one wanted them? kk

It never will end.
No Rational thought will ever cool this flame.

And the Hrothgar hate is simply...cause no Male Viera.
That and I guess the Hair/Mane thing.

[Alacran]

It never will end.
No Rational thought will ever cool this flame.

And the Hrothgar hate is simply...cause no Male Viera.
That and I guess the Hair/Mane thing.

Oh no, not due to to the exclusion of male Viera.

The blatant laziness using Roegadyn bodies with touch ups still stretching graphics, the bad idle animations, the laughable facial animations, the even more damnable lack of face/ hair customization, having to pay for fantasia to make changes others need only pay ingame currency for.

Limited jobs and now races, nobody wanted. That is the issue.

When you're already taxed for time and resources, a willing mistake is a damnable offense.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Oh no, not due to to the exclusion of male Viera.

The blatant laziness using Roegadyn bodies with touch ups still stretching graphics, the bad idle animations, the laughable facial animations, the even more damnable lack of face/ hair customization, having to pay for fantasia to make changes others need only pay ingame currency for.

Limited jobs and now races, nobody wanted. That is the issue.

When you're already taxed for time and resources, a willing mistake is a damnable offense.

What does Limited Jobs have to do with the Hrothgar Salt? Or are you even more mad at the Hrothgar because of Blue Mage? lol.
And the only thing on Hrothgar thats honestly bad besides the Hair issue, is the ears not being animated or expressive. I dont see why them being big and bulky like the Roe is an issue. Nothing wrong with having a second Bara body among like 4 other slim/lean bodies

[Theodric]

?....when was this a thing?

It's a consistent thing. I don't mean to single you out in particular and it may not even be intentional but...let's not beat around the bush, a significant number of your posts throughout the thread are you insisting that the status quo is fine. A trend, I note, that is alarmingly common with posters with female avatars. It isn't just about this thread, either. Any thread involving suggestions or issues related to male characters is usually subjected to people playing female characters emerging to downplay any and all concerns even when they're being voiced in a respectable and constructive manner.

It grows even more frustrating when there's threads involving hysteria and screeching from people playing female characters, such as the 2B outfit 'controversy', who are graced with an immediate response and an assurance from the development team that the issue will be reversed as soon as possible.

That's just touching on the surface, though. I've stated many times throughout this thread why I believe that male characters are treated as second class citizens. Something we'd best agree to disagree on, I suspect, rather than go through the same song and dance all over again.

[reivaxe]

Oh no, not due to to the exclusion of male Viera.

The blatant laziness using Roegadyn bodies with touch ups still stretching graphics, the bad idle animations, the laughable facial animations, the even more damnable lack of face/ hair customization, having to pay for fantasia to make changes others need only pay ingame currency for.

Limited jobs and now races, nobody wanted. That is the issue.

When you're already taxed for time and resources, a willing mistake is a damnable offense.

You're only gonna see what you want and what you seem to want to see is proof of lazy.

Hrothgar don't have Roe bodies, their bods look WAY better. Tis why so many Roebro players left and why even with this stupid mane system they out number them and Elezen males. There's a market for big, buffy bois AND girls ... Roe didn't strike that cord too great for many. Same for why Viera are WAAAAY more popular than Elezen females, they strike the aesthetic cord for "tall, pretty woman" better.

To ME the lazy thing would have been to just make Viera tall cat girls with a bunny tail and long ears that come out the side of their heads and make Hrothgar just highlander versions of cat dudes. That way EVERYTHING would work on them no problem yet everyone gets a new doll to play with. What they DID do makes two races that stand out compared to others in this game, 1 being an actual Viera over some made up bunny race and the other being a straight up beast faced race over some half step, at a price.

I love their face animations, they are dramatic af! On that same note I hate the Viera emotes cause from an animation stand point I see MUCH less energy. Could say it's lazy, but I see thought and polish put into it. It's just not as interesting or expressive and I KNOW that type of stuff takes more time.

[Vahlnir]

It's a consistent thing. I don't mean to single you out in particular and it may not even be intentional but...let's not beat around the bush, a significant number of your posts throughout the thread are you insisting that the status quo is fine. A trend, I note, that is alarmingly common with posters with female avatars. It isn't just about this thread, either. Any thread involving suggestions or issues related to male characters is usually subjected to people playing female characters emerging to downplay any and all concerns even when they're being voiced in a respectable and constructive manner.

It grows even more frustrating when there's threads involving hysteria and screeching from people playing female characters, such as the 2B outfit 'controversy', who are graced with an immediate response and an assurance from the development team that the issue will be reversed as soon as possible.

That's just touching on the surface, though. I've stated many times throughout this thread why I believe that male characters are treated as second class citizens. Something we'd best agree to disagree on, I suspect, rather than go through the same song and dance all over again.

Yeah...no. It's not just players with female characters who voice their opposition against things, or simply give their opinions. Since you brought it up, I will use the 2b outfit controversy as an example...I play male characters primarily, though I have been known to play a female highlander on occasion. At the end of the day, I really had no horse in this race. And yet, even I thought it was a questionable decision on their part, though not knowing at the time that it was apparently unintentional. So...I voiced my opinion on the matter. As a male character. And I wasn't the only one, and I would be willing to bet that there was more on the JP side of things.

This is not a gender exclusive thing. In regards to male character customization, from outfits to character models (or even Male Viera), you will see both male and female characters respond with different opinions in whatever thread you can think of, including this one. I support the idea of having Male Viera, but I also have my own ideas of what they should be, as well as my personal priorities that I feel the devs should adhere to, knowing full well that it is all just my opinion. So yeah, I will agree and disagree when I see fit to. And sometimes, just sometimes, it will be as a female character. Others on the forums will do the same, regardless of their avatar. Character gender has nothing to do with this, so don't make something out of nothing. You don't have to like someone's opinion, but jumping to conclusions like this is...not a good idea. If someone is fine with them not existing then that is their right. Period.

I do agree, however, that they do cater to female characters just a tad more than they do male characters. That is because they know their player base. It isn't really a gender bias so much as it is SE following the money. If the player base was predominantly playing male characters then they would be doing the same thing. Do you know how excited I was to see a crafted glamour piece for males that looked awesome in the form of the Rebel Coat? Very. I bought the materials even while they were expensive because I wanted it that bad. We don't get things like that often, but when they do deliver...they really deliver. Still, they do add what I would consider enough for male characters, as there is usually outfit designs for both nowadays. Sometimes it's just not my thing, and that's okay. I wouldn't go so far as to say that male characters are 2nd class citizens though. If they were, they would be getting so much less than they do. Hrothgar would also probably not exist, and the Viera females would have been finished and polished.

[Duskane]

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Hrothgar do share the Roegadyn body only difference is just textures and the pose
they look better because Hrothgar don't have textures from 10 years ago

[Vahlnir]

Hrothgar do share the Roegadyn body only difference is just textures and the pose
they look better because Hrothgar don't have textures from 10 years ago

I only really see it in their legs tbh, but the similarities are there I guess. It was just masked well enough in my opinion. Female Viera also share a body/skeleton with female elezen, with some alterations obviously. At first glance, someone sees a Hrothgar and they don't see a Roe usually. They see a burly cat man. Can't really say the same about Viera though. It took one quick look for me to say "so...female elezen with rabbit ears?" It was just really obvious.