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    Quote Originally Posted by Musashidon View Post
    solution don't play a casual game and then publically shame players who dont meet your standards in a live stream using a against TOS tool.

    the devs/gms already turn a blind eye to parsers.
    The twitch user is not the problem. Such things are a product of aforementioned problem.

    The problem is the games failure to inform players of low performance.

    I updated the OP to help add clarity.

    .... seriously its impossible to stay on topic on these forums. Literally impossible.



    Quote Originally Posted by Sorimachi87 View Post
    All i will say to this.
    WoW has tried this with the proving grounds and you have to clear silver in your role to get into heroics. IIRC it caused a massive backlash towards Blizzard. I'd like SE to not go that route imho.
    Please do elaborate. What justification would someone have to complain of such a feature? If you're not prepared for a fight, you shouldnt be entering them. The game in its current state no longer encourages improvement, as things are only constantly being made easier, to the point nothing is a challenge in the slightest and I am constantly running into players who perform actions learned below level 15 only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniolaut View Post
    Please do elaborate. What justification would someone have to complain of such a feature? If you're not prepared for a fight, you shouldnt be entering them. The game in its current state no longer encourages improvement, as things are only constantly being made easier, to the point nothing is a challenge in the slightest and I am constantly running into players who perform actions learned below level 15 only.
    Some of the proving grounds were almost impossible to clear as it forced the same trials on everyone. A single target based class couldn't beat the AoE test in time or an AoE based class couldn't burst down a target fast enough. Then you add in things like avoiding and kiting stuff that some classes would never be expected to do and thus it made the proving ground almost impossible for really stationary classes. I would also point to the striking dummies in game as it stands are horribly lopsided dependent on class as well, as I recall healer friends of mine noted the DPS check on the E1S dummy was insane.

    We also need to point to the fact, Silver proving grounds didn't improve the people in Heroics in WoW. You would still question how the heck people in your party were doing so badly despite passing the silver proving grounds required. What usually happened was the classic "Oh I did my silver proving ground as *insert different Spec here." the idea proposed doesn't avoid that here either. "Oh I did the proving ground as a Scholar but I am here as an Astrologian, now what do these cards do?".

    Sad fact is people will not improve unless they have the will to do so themselves, putting in a gate will just prevent them from doing the content at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeronia View Post
    Some of the proving grounds were almost impossible to clear as it forced the same trials on everyone. A single target based class couldn't beat the AoE test in time or an AoE based class couldn't burst down a target fast enough. Then you add in things like avoiding and kiting stuff that some classes would never be expected to do and thus it made the proving ground almost impossible for really stationary classes. I would also point to the striking dummies in game as it stands are horribly lopsided dependent on class as well, as I recall healer friends of mine noted the DPS check on the E1S dummy was insane.
    Not to mention the dummy does exactly nothing to help you practice party heals. Just DPS. I have to 'borrow' a friend to go practice if there's something completely new I want to try. I'm grateful to said friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniolaut View Post
    The problem is the games failure to inform players of low performance.
    Okay, I'll give you that. It's too easy for a player to under-perform in this game and not even know it.

    However, that's a matter of information, not restricting players from entering duties based on their results against a striking dummy.

    As much as everybody hates that under-performing guy who ruins the run for everybody else, that guy is just as entitled to queue for the duty as everybody else, if only to get vaporized.

    To inform players of their performance, Square Enix could add a ranking system that is unable to be abused for shaming purposes. When you complete a duty, it tells you your percentile for your role and job on that duty without mentioning other players. Then you can see where you stand, and people can't shame you outside of demanding screenshots.
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