Does WoW have a faster pace than FFXIV?

[Angus-Beef]

You say that like its a bad thing. WoW raiding was meh and the community was unbelievably toxic. In WoW you aren't a person. You are a number.

I mean..... FF is the same way,like literally the exact same way. If it's not casual toxicity it'd hard core toxicity, both in very high volume.

As for the raiding, my biggest gripe with FF is that savage and ultimate are dances over skill. Ultimate is fun but it still boils down to learn the dance or die vs WoWs system of actively new mechanics each tier. If there's one thing WoW still has its raiding.

[Angus-Beef]

I can only imagine what the clear rates would be of things like red button Mimiron, Yogg 0 light or algalon, let alone harder ones.

I would love fights like that in ff, it would make the endgame feel more involved with fights.

[frostmagemari]

You say that like its a bad thing. WoW raiding was meh and the community was unbelievably toxic. In WoW you aren't a person. You are a number.

Except you see that all the time in XIV too.
The XIV community is not some bastion of politeness, and people can easily be toxic if they even bother talking to you over silently vote kicking someone without saying a word if they don't like you for whatever reason.
Conversely, I've seen much better personalities in WoW in my time there.
So, the only thing i can say is.. anecdotal evidence is only that, anecdotal and doesn't give you any arguments in the conversation.

[SpecialTaskForce]

Crafting, gathering, trading,market camping with alts, gil making etc is much faster/safer in ffxiv than WoW.

[Feronar]

One thing I like about WoW is it doesn't cram all the classes/jobs' rotations full of 1-2-3-1-2-3-etc combos.

[Shurrikhan]

You say that like its a bad thing. WoW raiding was meh and the community was unbelievably toxic. In WoW you aren't a person. You are a number.

I haven't really seen that any more from WoW outside of the Mythic difficulty raids, which are just straight up harder than Savage for the most part (with Normal being about old BCoB difficulty and Heroic probably still being over Savage on average), which may then just be because... it's harder content which requires far tighter optimizations than anything XIV has to offer.

I had a blast PuGing in Wrath, parts of Cata, most of WoD, and some Legion (Nighthold and ToV, mostly). People expected general competency and for you to follow the raid leader's basic directions, but otherwise they've seemed more willing to accommodate and make good use of their learners than most XIV Savage PFs, even when looking at only the clear or prog groups.

People poked fun, but in NESTish "done goofed" or PK tallies sort of way, more often than not. Friendly AoE competition, "tank wanks", many feeling free to prioritize jokes over output during trash, etc., etc. And if only because responsibility is not spread evenly among everyone in the higher player-count WoW raids, if someone really struggled with something in a fight, you could still make use of them in some other way, sometimes even well into half the Heroic fights. Noticing you might or might not be up for something, past basic competence, and the raid being able to adjust their plans around what each player could do, was as central to PuG raiding as Recount/Details/Skada (parsers).

If anything, LFR can be the most kick-happy if only because you can be replaced so quickly. Though, again, people there expect basic competence, they're usually very willing to work around what they get rather than try to reform or disband nearly so frequently as XIV PuG groups do for serious content.

[MitsukiKimura]

Never played WoW and don't intend to. All my friends left it because of how stale their content was so I got them into FFXIV, they're having a blast now

[Nedkel]

Facts?

The only fact here is that you didnt even touch LFR raiding in your life.

A healer from WoW can heal a whole FFXIV raid while sleeping.

FF fight is boring, I mean, who wants to watch a stream of this game... You put it on Twitch and even the bots avoids it.

That's what happens when the most interesting part of it ends up being making an Instagram or trying on outfits.

Look Methods world first and Alexander Ultimate... You want facts?, all for ya.

But healers in WoW are even worse, you spam same 3-4 buttons over and over and over and over, healers in WoW have bot gameplay, someone is low on HP oh heal, someone is low on hp > heal, and you dont even dps as a healer, you could cover your entire screen with healers mod and do your job by pressing same few skills.
Blizzard simplified classes in the last patch taking away a lot of "oGCD" abilities making them "GCD", a lot of classes literally feels like FFXIV BLM where you only use GCD one after another, there is little to no weaving involved into the gameplay and mechanics they all come down to "use this, then this, if proc use this" and thats literally it. The rotations and openers are waaay bigger in FFXIV. Blizzard has completely screwed over their class design with GCD changes in BFA.
I played monk windwalker and the opener is 12 steps involving 2x the same skill and two on high cd, compare it to any tank in FFXIV which are considered the least complicated classes and even warrior had bigger opener than "complicated and fun" monk in WoW. The amount of skills you often use in WoW is low low, you are good with like 6-8 skills and all the rest are situational used once or two.

I mean.. the fact that the ability usage for DRK is padded out by Hard Slash > Syphon Strike > Souleater is kind of making me laugh. To use Souleater properly you have to use the other two, so you're not using more of your kit, it's simply three steps to the basic attack (like all tanks).

And yes.. i can safely add in that you've never touched a WoW raid in your life, or mythic+; Those things get hectic and you can't plan out where to move and what to do down to the literal second, nor can you prepare for moves just because the boss just used a specific move. XIV allows you to, even if you don't use something like ACT, the boss fights are a choreographed dance rather than a fight.

Raiding in WoW has to be random and unpredictable otherwise you would sleep over your desk with the class design this game has. Raids and dungeons design is the only thing that makes WoW still going on, since its better but combat itself is worse than in FFXIV.

One thing I like about WoW is it doesn't cram all the classes/jobs' rotations full of 1-2-3-1-2-3-etc combos.

You have few buttons to press all the time instead that are all tied to the GCD.

[Omymy]

Snip.

Actually, you're right. Healing in FF is much more fun, for example with the WHM your most difficult decision is whether to spend a lilac on single target or AoE. Because at the end of the day the enemies of this game need half an hour to complete their cast bar when throwing the tankbuster.

Then you have classes like SCH that if they were more boring they would pay you to play them.

If you don't feel like healing you can get into thrilling adventures like sleeping on the keyboard while playing BLM or being a Bard and having the most boring mechanics ever.

I'd love to see your progress in mythic. You probably threw away Taloc and it took you more than 2 attempts, hahaha.

I wouldn't want to forget about classes as exciting as PLD. Requies - Holy, Holy Holy Holy zZzZzZZzZ...

[Nedkel]

Actually, you're right. Healing in FF is much more fun, for example with the WHM your most difficult decision is whether to spend a lilac on single target or AoE. Because at the end of the day the enemies of this game need half an hour to complete their cast bar when throwing the tankbuster.

Then you have classes like SCH that if they were more boring they would pay you to play them.

If you don't feel like healing you can get into thrilling adventures like sleeping on the keyboard while playing BLM or being a Bard and having the most boring mechanics ever.

I'd love to see your progress in mythic. You probably threw away Taloc and it took you more than 2 attempts, hahaha.

I wouldn't want to forget about classes as exciting as PLD. Requies - Holy, Holy Holy Holy zZzZzZZzZ...

Tell me more about arcane-one-button mage master class or how about ele shaman or destro warlock. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Specs in wow are so diverse and complicated yes yes, you could macro that thing for entire raid, oh actually its real there was one button macro hunter build btw. xD