Fisher needs more love? I think so

[VeolE]

Can they just make Fish Eyes as a trait Just like how Truth of the Mountains and Truth of Forest? Instead of "Press of a button" and consume a lot of GP?

1. A tackle box will be nice, so it won't be clogging up my inventory just by baits.

2. And maybe more Spears? Because we still using a lvl 60+ spear that only just has GP, but no other stats tied to it (Not the gigs)

3. Stop cancelling me on my Patience 1 or 2 and Fish eyes when it says "The fishes senses something amiss" (That could be a me only problem, but either it's quite annoying sometimes)

[Shadygrove]

Can they just make Fish Eyes as a trait Just like how Truth of the Mountains and Truth of Forest? Instead of "Press of a button" and consume a lot of GP?

1. A tackle box will be nice, so it won't be clogging up my inventory just by baits.

2. And maybe more Spears? Because we still using a lvl 60+ spear that only just has GP, but no other stats tied to it (Not the gigs)

3. Stop cancelling me on my Patience 1 or 2 and Fish eyes when it says "The fishes senses something amiss" (That could be a me only problem, but either it's quite annoying sometimes)

Consuming GPs is the point of fish eyes.

We are not getting a tackle box. They have made this statment clearly and often.

If we got more stats they would have to rebalance every fish in the game. But a L 80 gig with a few more GPs would't unbalance anything and would up our iL.

That is not a you only problem. We could get a warning message though.

[VeolE]

Consuming GPs is the point of fish eyes.

We are not getting a tackle box. They have made this statment clearly and often.

If we got more stats they would have to rebalance every fish in the game. But a L 80 gig with a few more GPs would't unbalance anything and would up our iL.

That is not a you only problem. We could get a warning message though.

I mean, I know that but there's other skills for FSH that I can use that also "consumes" GP. What other purpose does it have besides discovering "hidden fishes?" But overall I think it will be a nice change if it was a trait.

And that sucks that we aren't getting a tackle box, but that will be nice if we did.

[Canadane]

I mean, I know that but there's other skills for FSH that I can use that also "consumes" GP. What other purpose does it have besides discovering "hidden fishes?"

That is the entire point of it. It's working as intended.

[VeolE]

That is the entire point of it. It's working as intended.

You're not wrong and it is doing what it's suppose to do, but either way like I said, I will likely to have it as a trait but only imo.

[Esmoire]

In general I feel the vision for FSH has some compatibility issues with what is an interesting gaming experience VS what can functionally work in a user-friendly MMO where some enjoyability is afforded while simultaneously working towards some kind of virtual goal.

There is a fishing class all about going out there with your bait and your wits and maybe some hints from your angler friends about where to go on your journey to complete your fishing log and conquering the seas of Hydaelyn and perhaps worlds unexplored.

Then there is also the fishing class who just wants to get their custom deliveries done in roughly the same time frame as a miner or goldsmith would.

These are very different domains with very different design needs that they have been struggling to rectify. As it stands, whenever the game asks you to get a specific fish, you basically need 2-3 browser tabs to know the who, what, where, why, and how. You need a specific bait, in a specific place, a specific tug to look for, often specific weather, sometimes even with specific buffs you in turn only get by catching other specific fish. As someone who loves fishing in videogames I find FFXIV to have one of the most cumbersome implementations I have seen. Again, I think at least some of this is OK if we are talking about a completionist system (though even then some of the ideas are terrible), though they have had to really scale things back over time. I think universal baits is a good start in making FSH more accessible.

One (expensive) change I'd like to see them do is consider making fish generic like a lot of games have it, or honestly just how cooking often works IRL. I don't mean getting rid of fish, but changing the game so similar fish can sometimes be used in similar ways. So like, when I cook IRL, I can use a variety of different salmon as long as I understand their nuance. Doesn't really matter which kind I get. This is also how a lot of games work, like asking for "poultry" or "shrimp" for a recipe even if more specific ingredients exist.

Higher level would mean more quality, but for the most part for cooking and aquariums, you shouldn't need to find a specific kind of fish that for some reason is the only one that works with a recipe even though there are several that look exactly like it and no known toxic properties. I still think endgame collectables and master recipes should demand specific kind but for those who just want to fill an aquarium or start levelling CUL we should give them a break.

As it stands it feels like they add loads and loads and loads of fish every expansion and a lot of them are useless. Even when you get past the ones with no levequest and no recipe and no aquarium usage, they are so dang specific that there can't be something worse for a retainer to bring back or to dreg up trying to do your custom deliveries.

Lastly I'd also like to see if maybe some of the actions for spearfishing and angling can be unified.

[Espritduo]

Then there is also the fishing class who just wants to get their custom deliveries done in roughly the same time frame as a miner or goldsmith would.

These are very different domains with very different design needs that they have been struggling to rectify. As it stands, whenever the game asks you to get a specific fish, you basically need 2-3 browser tabs to know the who, what, where, why, and how. You need a specific bait, in a specific place, a specific tug to look for, often specific weather, sometimes even with specific buffs you in turn only get by catching other specific fish. As someone who loves fishing in videogames I find FFXIV to have one of the most cumbersome implementations I have seen. Again, I think at least some of this is OK if we are talking about a completionist system (though even then some of the ideas are terrible), though they have had to really scale things back over time. I think universal baits is a good start in making FSH more accessible.

For your weekly custom deliveries, all the fish needed use the Metal Spinner bait now. They have no weather or time requirements and bite frequently on the Metal Spinner. Also for all the fish except for the ShB ones (for some reason), the description of the fish tells you exactly where to go to fish for them. I've been using the fish turn ins for my alts for a few weeks now and I have found it just as simple to catch 6 fish as it is to get 6 collectibles with miner/botanist, give or take some RNG. Just use Patience II and go nuts.

Also, for 90% of the fish needed for crafting, your retainers can bring them back once you have caught at least one, so no need to deal with the fishing minigame there if all you want to do is just craft something.

[Esmoire]

For your weekly custom deliveries, all the fish needed use the Metal Spinner bait now. They have no weather or time requirements and bite frequently on the Metal Spinner. Also for all the fish except for the ShB ones (for some reason), the description of the fish tells you exactly where to go to fish for them. I've been using the fish turn ins for my alts for a few weeks now and I have found it just as simple to catch 6 fish as it is to get 6 collectibles with miner/botanist, give or take some RNG. Just use Patience II and go nuts.

Also, for 90% of the fish needed for crafting, your retainers can bring them back once you have caught at least one, so no need to deal with the fishing minigame there if all you want to do is just craft something.

That is cute dear but I am coming from a position of someone who spends most of my time on FFXIV with the trades. I know you mean well though I don't really need someone to mansplain the basics of it, especially when my post already praised the progressive addition of tackle to help streamline the experience not unlike what you mentioned. My post is not asking for someone to teach me how to swim across the river, but a commentary on how the developers should build a bridge, in the same vein they made the crafters and other gatherers easy to get into. I want to see FSH get a lot of love and expand the depth in ways that are more meaningful and fun, and I hope the new voyages they are adding are going to be easier to pick up and play and relax for people just getting into it.

[Espritduo]

Not sure what I said to get such a ridiculously condescending response, but the things you mentioned as problems I explained are not problems any more thanks to the Metal Spinner and retainer ventures. Big fishing is still big fishing for those that want the challenge and RNG, and "just for the scrips/crafting" fishing is as easy as it can be.

The "bridge" is already there and it is very wide and easy to cross. Casual fishing for non-fishing purposes is braindead easy, fishing for regular fishing log entries is also very easy, with very few non-big fish having annoying requirements, and then there is big fishing at the end of the bridge. We don't need more things to get people into fishing at the bottom, nor do we need more ways to get them to max level with fishing experience especially receiving huge boosts. We need more rewards at the top besides Go Big or Go Home, and more variability/control when it comes to how we catch big fish. I agree in the hopes that this Deep Sea fishing will be that thing that puts a new spin on fishing.

[Canadane]

How about a new fishing gig with a TEA theme for the next catch ‘em all achievement?
We got UCoB and UWU rods. But our off hand could use some pizazz!

I mean I’ll take it in rod for too, more people see that. But hey, I wanna get giggy with it again.