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    Quote Originally Posted by Melichoir View Post
    They punished him not cause hes popular, but because his actions have a direct impact on another player and he was (IMO) trying to be cute and clever by doing this in a live stream and not in game with the impression that he would not get punished for it cause 'its not in game'. He was completely ignoring the fact that the point of anti parser ToS is to stop harassment but still did it thinking he would use the literal rules to be safe. If you want to argue he did get made an example of, thats fine, but lets not try and be cute and say "WELL SE SHOULDNT HAVE DONE THIS CAUSE NO RULES WERE VIOLATED!" Because if we want to really have a system where everything is clearly labeled and spelled out with no room for interpretation, thats gonna create inflexibility for SE and their response to that will be to create very harsh and draconian ToS.

    For all the "SE has to be clear about the rules" shtick, it typically overlooks that Parsing is against the ToS but SE turns a blind eye to it for our sake. Being too specific is just as bad as being overly vague. At the end of the day, he used his parser and streaming power to go after a specific player publicly. We dont live in the 90s. He knew that this would rile up some of his viewers and cause trouble for that player. Frankly, if he was a real boss about things, hed just have the anatomy to talk that smack in game and deal with it. But he wanted to have his cake and eat it too.
    That isn't what I said.

    I said if they're going to use Twitch videos as evidence now, when they haven't in the past. It should apply to everyone, regardless of their popularity or verification status on Twitch. If I go and record someone botting right now and submit that evidence to a GM, the botter should be dealt with accordingly. If they opt to ignore it or fall back on "we cannot accept outside evidence," it shows a blatant double standard. Put another way, they would be picking and choosing when they want to enforce their ToS outside the game. And in this hypothetical, it'd be when a popular Twitch streamer potentially hurt their image compared to an otherwise unknown botter or speed hacker cheating. Not exactly a good look for their moderation.

    As for parses. Lets be honest. They tolerate them out of necessity. If they were to ever ban ACT or FFlogs at this junction, their raid scene will die. And they know it. Not to mention, people would just go underground with that information. ACT and FFlogs essentially give them the same benefits WoW has but none of the responsibility since they can always say "you shouldn't be using it."
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    Last edited by ForteNightshade; 12-19-2019 at 04:19 AM.
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