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[FirstnameLastname]

So many mindless fanboys (and -girls, and -whateverkindamicrowaveornanimalyouare since I don't want to get reported for sexism or whatever) in this thread just repeating "tHeIr GaMe ThEiR rUlEs" - wow. Seriously. And y'all so incredibly hurt over this, like your precious, fragile self was "brutally assaulted" (actual quote) instead of the BLM in the clip in question. Next thing you know they start banning people that post in r/TalesfromDF on reddit and didn't blur out their own names because thats "brutal assault" and you are gonna cheer for that, huh?

And yet you lot wonder why "no one is talking in dungeons anymore". Yeah, take a wild guess there mate how this could have come about. Maybe it's because everyone and everything is instantly reported if they dare and voice an opinion different than those of the god damn snowflakes I see ruining my game experience everywhere.

You can now press report on this post because I "brutally assaulted" your precious feelings. See ya in a couple weeks.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

So many mindless fanboys (and -girls, and -whateverkindamicrowaveornanimalyouare since I don't want to get reported for sexism or whatever) in this thread just repeating "tHeIr GaMe ThEiR rUlEs" - wow. Seriously. And y'all so incredibly hurt over this, like your precious, fragile self was "brutally assaulted" (actual quote) instead of the BLM in the clip in question. Next thing you know they start banning people that post in r/TalesfromDF on reddit and didn't blur out their own names because thats "brutal assault" and you are gonna cheer for that, huh?

And yet you lot wonder why "no one is talking in dungeons anymore". Yeah, take a wild guess there mate how this could have come about. Maybe it's because everyone and everything is instantly reported if they dare and voice an opinion different than those of the god damn snowflakes I see ruining my game experience everywhere.

You can now press report on this post because I "brutally assaulted" your precious feelings. See ya in a couple weeks.

No one talked in dungeons before. There was the same amount of silence, going all the way back to 2.0s launch. This thought that the new tos made people talk less is just silly.

Also, pretty sure you can get thrown out of any public place for being a jerk, not sure why people seem to think streamers are exempt from this.

[FirstnameLastname]

No one talked in dungeons before. There was the same amount of silence, going all the way back to 2.0s launch. This thought that the new tos made people talk less is just silly.

Also, pretty sure you can get thrown out of any public place for being a jerk, not sure why people seem to think streamers are exempt from this.

Look at the post below you. The hypocrisy is just so baffling.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Look at the post below you. The hypocrisy is just so baffling.

They won't accept video or screen shots that can be doctored. A live stream of a person logged in to their character who is a public and well known figure is not the same.

Not that I'd ever heard his name before last night. The lengths people go to to defend some random streamer are just as silly.

[Vahlnir]

They won't accept video or screen shots that can be doctored. A live stream of a person logged in to their character who is a public and well known figure is not the same.

It's still a video. A stream can also be doctored.

[ForteNightshade]

They won't accept video or screen shots that can be doctored. A live stream of a person logged in to their character who is a public and well known figure is not the same.

If this were the case, why didn't they ban the BLM speed hacking Feast or the numerous amount of bots that have been caught. In the latter case, I know someone who went out of their way to stream a known botter on Cactuar. Guess what he was told? "We can't accept evidence outside of the game."

The only difference here is Arthars is a well known streamer. How isn't that a double standard?

[linay]

Look at the post below you. The hypocrisy is just so baffling.

That's not hypocrisy, maybe inconsistent, unless they simply changed their policy internally or it's different depending on the issue.

Hypocrisy is when you say someone else's action is bad while performing that action yourself.

[Melichoir]

So many mindless fanboys (and -girls, and -whateverkindamicrowaveornanimalyouare since I don't want to get reported for sexism or whatever) in this thread just repeating "tHeIr GaMe ThEiR rUlEs" - wow. Seriously. And y'all so incredibly hurt over this, like your precious, fragile self was "brutally assaulted" (actual quote) instead of the BLM in the clip in question. Next thing you know they start banning people that post in r/TalesfromDF on reddit and didn't blur out their own names because thats "brutal assault" and you are gonna cheer for that, huh?

And yet you lot wonder why "no one is talking in dungeons anymore". Yeah, take a wild guess there mate how this could have come about. Maybe it's because everyone and everything is instantly reported if they dare and voice an opinion different than those of the god damn snowflakes I see ruining my game experience everywhere.

You can now press report on this post because I "brutally assaulted" your precious feelings. See ya in a couple weeks.

This isnt the same thing as "No one talking in dungeons" or other strawmans of that sort. Look at the situation as described - a public streamer with a large enough following was trash talking another player to his followers without even so much as masking the name or information. If you honestly believe that this wouldnt have knock on effects, you are naive and living in a bubble.

Im all for people venting, or saying what they want to say to an extent, but there is a drastic difference between saying "A player I ran into was trash, this is their numbers and this thing bothers me" and "Mr.Bigglesworth on this server is a trash tier player and check their numbers to see how trash they are." Im being oversimplistic of course, but the gist is that regardless of whether you say anything in game, you are purposefully creating a situation where it will have repercussions IN game. He may not be saying to his streamers "Yeah go harass this person" or "Dont ever play with this person", but that is gonna be the end effect and the streamer has to know this. If they dont, then theyre either extremely naive and ignorant of how this all works, or theyre being disingenuous. If it was just him talking about parses and annoying players with no info, I would think SE is in the wrong. It's when he creates a direct link of information to a specific player on a public stream that this then becomes a problem, regardless of whether he says anything in game or not.

Parsers are against ToS, but the spirit of why it is is anti harassment and anti toxicity. It's why SE doesnt typically ban accounts of streamers using parsers. Hes violating that concept by trying to be clever and not being toxic in game but on his stream that will carry over to the game.

[Vahlnir]

SE: We won't accept outside sources when reporting players

Also SE: *uses outside sources to issue bans*

[Cyreil]

You guys have become ruled by streamers.