Recent Developments of TOS Actions Taken

[Warghoul570]

The fact that the player’s name was out in the open could lead to people following the stream to harass that player in game. That I believe is SE’s logic in the ban

[Barraind]

Squeenix will never ban people for nebulous reasons that dont violate any in-game rules.

Anyone still want to hold to that one?

No?

[dotsforlife]

SE spent years saying they wouldn't accept issues/proof outside of the game as evidence for ToS enforcement. It's only until recently did they decide to cherry pick. They seem to have a knack for taking action when it's more out in the open to a larger audience though. (like streaming, or well known members, etc) Either way, SE is hypocritical here.

[Melichoir]

So, let's look at what he did.

- Talked a lot of crap about a player in his party
- Enlarged the parse screen
- Used special sound effects and animations to draw even more attention to the "bad player"
- Showed their name in the clear; no attempt to obfuscate their identity.

If these were happening in the video, then I think punishment was justified. We can split gray hairs cause there is nuance to the situation. If he purposefully made a stream or video to crap on someone and didnt even bother to hide the name, thats a step to far and is I think within SE's right to go after said player cause its part of the SE platform. If it was him talking about bad players and parses, and didnt use any specific information or made it as a general video to talk about bad play or other mishaps or even vent a bit (again without doing specifics to a player) then thats fine. It's the act of purposefully singling out a person with specific information thats an issue.

We also need to stop protecting and treating streamers like theyre some journalist, comedian, or otherwise. Theyre not. If youre a streamer and youre being a donkey to someone for the sheer reason to be a donkey and mean, that shouldnt get people going out there and sticking up for the guy and treating SE like theyre the bad guy. Just cause you stream doesnt give you carte blanche to crap on other people and not have some kind of pushback or reprimand for it. If you want to have running commentary or have off hand commentaries, thats plenty fine as long as private player IDs are being masked. Remember, that person theyre streaming isnt a public person. That person could be the worlds biggest butt, but that doesnt make it right for a streamer to use their reach and single them out with the intent and purpose to get them publicly shamed and lynched by their followers, even if its off platform. Even if that isnt the intent, streamers should full well know by now that they cannot control their base and that creating hyperbolic videos that selectively go after someone privately is gonna be an issue.

If this other player was another streamer with their own following and put themselves out there, thats fair game then, even if it may be still somewhat jerkish to go after them.

[Gemina]

Dude, after your entire post, is still comes down to having absolutely zero to worry about if you abide by the ToS. The Tos shouldn't have to define the grey areas for you if you practice common courtesy and respect towards others.

If you have to ask, "is this ok?" Then the best bet is to not even do it. And if you have to ask about the grey areas then you're already a shady player in my book. Also, another players banishment on a Reddit forum has no bearing on your own gameplay, nor any other account that does not belong to you. Move on.

[FirstnameLastname]

So many mindless fanboys (and -girls, and -whateverkindamicrowaveornanimalyouare since I don't want to get reported for sexism or whatever) in this thread just repeating "tHeIr GaMe ThEiR rUlEs" - wow. Seriously. And y'all so incredibly hurt over this, like your precious, fragile self was "brutally assaulted" (actual quote) instead of the BLM in the clip in question. Next thing you know they start banning people that post in r/TalesfromDF on reddit and didn't blur out their own names because thats "brutal assault" and you are gonna cheer for that, huh?

And yet you lot wonder why "no one is talking in dungeons anymore". Yeah, take a wild guess there mate how this could have come about. Maybe it's because everyone and everything is instantly reported if they dare and voice an opinion different than those of the god damn snowflakes I see ruining my game experience everywhere.

You can now press report on this post because I "brutally assaulted" your precious feelings. See ya in a couple weeks.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

So many mindless fanboys (and -girls, and -whateverkindamicrowaveornanimalyouare since I don't want to get reported for sexism or whatever) in this thread just repeating "tHeIr GaMe ThEiR rUlEs" - wow. Seriously. And y'all so incredibly hurt over this, like your precious, fragile self was "brutally assaulted" (actual quote) instead of the BLM in the clip in question. Next thing you know they start banning people that post in r/TalesfromDF on reddit and didn't blur out their own names because thats "brutal assault" and you are gonna cheer for that, huh?

And yet you lot wonder why "no one is talking in dungeons anymore". Yeah, take a wild guess there mate how this could have come about. Maybe it's because everyone and everything is instantly reported if they dare and voice an opinion different than those of the god damn snowflakes I see ruining my game experience everywhere.

You can now press report on this post because I "brutally assaulted" your precious feelings. See ya in a couple weeks.

No one talked in dungeons before. There was the same amount of silence, going all the way back to 2.0s launch. This thought that the new tos made people talk less is just silly.

Also, pretty sure you can get thrown out of any public place for being a jerk, not sure why people seem to think streamers are exempt from this.

[Vahlnir]

SE: We won't accept outside sources when reporting players

Also SE: *uses outside sources to issue bans*

[FirstnameLastname]

No one talked in dungeons before. There was the same amount of silence, going all the way back to 2.0s launch. This thought that the new tos made people talk less is just silly.

Also, pretty sure you can get thrown out of any public place for being a jerk, not sure why people seem to think streamers are exempt from this.

Look at the post below you. The hypocrisy is just so baffling.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Look at the post below you. The hypocrisy is just so baffling.

They won't accept video or screen shots that can be doctored. A live stream of a person logged in to their character who is a public and well known figure is not the same.

Not that I'd ever heard his name before last night. The lengths people go to to defend some random streamer are just as silly.