Recent Developments of TOS Actions Taken

[Legewiel]

I am not saying he did not do that, you took my post out of context.
I am arguing against SE using third party evidences to judge players overbreaking the TOs these could be manipulated in evil way to cause a ban of someone innocent.

Yes and what i said is that they didn't do that, they got the evidence from his own stream, so it's pretty much a clean evidence against him. It's not a picture that could be photoshoped and then yeah could be a cause to ban an innocent.

[Skivvy]

I am not saying he did not do that, you took my post out of context.
I am arguing against SE using third party evidences to judge players overbreaking the TOs these could be manipulated in evil way to cause a ban of someone innocent.

This isn't simply taking someone's screenshots which can easily be doctored, we're talking about a video from a verified twitch account where they claim responsibility for everything shown on their stream.

[testname]

I agree with SE

Rude/Mean Behavior/Foul Language

You can be mean, and rude to Friends in Your Closed Room/Group, no one cares there

But when You are going out, to Public(aka Stream for everyone), now here You have to be polite

[BloodRubyXII]

I don't think in many cases people are taking issue with what he actually got banned for, in terms of being toxic towards another player, it's pretty obvious he was being a massive jerk, that's not really what the problem is for us who seem like we may be "defending" him. The issue is, it's a pick'n'choose case, something SE like to do very much. One day you can do something that should get you permed when reported, but won't, the next day someone else gets reported for telling a player to "stop being bad at the game" and they'll get a two week. Flaming is nothing new to hardcore raid streamers, if you're going to ban Arthars then simply put, you have to ban all of them for the same reason, but they won't. They just chose to make an example out of this singular case as a deterrent, and that's bad. Was a bit like when I got sacked from my job a year ago, I got sacked for crashing a forklift and the tldr of it was, I got made an example of that accidents due to carelessness were no longer a slap on the wrist. No-one had a problem with the fact I had an accident and got sacked, it was more they happened on a daily basis, people had done worse and gotten off with written warnings, so why was my case any different lol (someone chopped someone else's finger off and kept his job).

If I was that sad of a person and pathetic I could pull vods from probably every single popular streamer that uses ACT and has ever trashtalked another player's performance, I would put my house on the fact you wouldn't ban any of them. I'm obviously not going to do this because that's well... pathetic, and no1 likes a grass lol. Let's be honest again - Arthars got hit because there was no way SE could justify to the "victim" that he was still streaming every day after being reported because then he'd KNOW no action was taken and wonder why and they would never be able to explain it (jk "we don't accept 3rd party evidence")

In setting this example, SE breeds the very clique culture that people claim is elitist and not welcome in the game - and that is where if you're new or bad - you will never get anything done in this game because all the half decent players will form their own groups just to get away from you and not get banned.

[goob]

In setting this example, SE breeds the very clique culture that people claim is elitist and not welcome in the game - and that is where if you're new or bad - you will never get anything done in this game because all the half decent players will form their own groups just to get away from you and not get banned.

I still remember in another game when, as a healer who hadn't grouped much, I was told to bring mobs to the tank. The tank did so in a polite manner, not yelling or bashing me for running around with mobs beating on me. I also remember standing in front of a boss, not thinking about my placement, and the tank telling me I should move out of the aoe range. That too was told to me in the same manner.

You can be an "elite hardcore raider," best of the best however "best" is define, top of the charts, yadda yadda yadda, and still not harass other players or even be condescending when pointing out things you think they should be doing or not doing. It's not a fine line between the two.

"From my experience it's better to not stand there as the boss spits out goo and wipes people" - nobody will ever get banned for saying that

versus

"You're a dumbass for standing there. Don't you know how to play this game?"

[Palibun]

The problem is that he broadcasted this players name to his entire audience, which usually creates harassment.

I've smack talk players before, we all have, but i dont go on the fourms broadcasting their names or anything. I laugh with my friends about it then move on.

Did SE overstep boundaries? Perhaps. Did he sorta deserve it? Yeah. If anything it should've been twich who should've suspended him tho, since he was spreading the hate on their platform.

[Alleo]

I do believe that its bad that the streamer did badmouth that person but until recently SE never took any outside information to punish people and I am not sure if I like that they suddenly are allowed to do that. Especially if they still turn a blind eye to famous raiders that are using parsers for their raids.

So if they do suddenly take outside information than be clear about this and fair. First tell us about this so that people can take actions (like not showing their streams with parsers) but also that everyone needs to "fear" this and not turn a blind eye on certain cases.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I do believe that its bad that the streamer did badmouth that person but until recently SE never took any outside information to punish people and I am not sure if I like that they suddenly are allowed to do that. Especially if they still turn a blind eye to famous raiders that are using parsers for their raids.

So if they do suddenly take outside information than be clear about this and fair. First tell us about this so that people can take actions (like not showing their streams with parsers) but also that everyone needs to "fear" this and not turn a blind eye on certain cases.

I don't think his ban was about the parser at all. He was a complete and utter jerk, had a special window set up that put act in the middle with a booing crowd effect, and ranted about the guy publicly.

He then complained that "they'll ban my character but let me play another account. I'm still going to trash talk players, if they don't want me to do that they shouldn't let me play at all"

Clearly he's not one who just did this in the moment, he had a whole setup for shaming people and it sounds like he does it often.

[Alleo]

I don't think his ban was about the parser at all. He was a complete and utter jerk, had a special window set up that put act in the middle with a booing crowd effect, and ranted about the guy publicly.

He then complained that "they'll ban my character but let me play another account. I'm still going to trash talk players, if they don't want me to do that they shouldn't let me play at all"

Clearly he's not one who just did this in the moment, he had a whole setup for shaming people and it sounds like he does it often.

No he may not have been punished because of the parser but he could only truly bad mouth that player because of having one. And as we know parser are against the Tos. Right now people are save from punishment because before that SE did not take outside informations as something to punish but that line has blurred now.

So if they are fair and are now using outside information, anyone streaming with a parser should theoretically be punished. Because they are using something which is against the ToS. If they turn a blind eye on that (and Yoshida and his teams are probably watching such streams for world first clears) but do punish someone else then they are purely biased.

Also this means that they somehow until now also turned a blind eye to any other evidence about hacking or botting yet somehow followed that one example through..

[ForteNightshade]

I believe once the line is being crossed about whether the player knows they are being talked about is honestly the turning point. I can't seem to find any clips of what was going on exactly, all of them have been deleted now - but from what I understand, the BLM in the group was also being an ass, and sassing him a bunch.

BLM was most likely in his stream as well, and when you start doing things like this:


(without the red box, I added that)

You are pretty much asking to be banned by SE.
He also apparently had some sounds that would trigger when the BLM messed up or something, and received donations from viewers also shit talking the blm.

This isn't even the first time he's done something like this, but I assume it's more of a character he plays up.

To clear a little bit of this up. Yes, the BLM was in Arthar's stream—which is what led to the report being filed.

And while Arthars does use cut aways like this for play up a "character," he doesn't have sound effects, triggers or anything that specifically go off for any one player; nor are people encouraged to donate/sub based on these images.

Finally, no. This is far from the first time. Arthars has several cut away images like this. Some poke fun at bad players while others have poked fun at SE themselves. An example of the latter being his Ninja clip after the 5.1 buff.