Why does SMN have Physick?

[Silverquick]

I'm just surprised they haven't put in a trait for SMN that makes Physick scale of intelligence instead of mind. Would be an easy fix, you'd think.

This is actually a long story, and all of it has to do with SCH not necessarily SMN.

First of all, understand that SCH does not really have any direct heals other than Physick. The SCH's heals are all shields/pre-heals like Adlo/Galvanize and Succor. Its got a couple of direct heals that are stronger... but they're Aetherflow abilities so limited use. Their version of Egi Assaults are things like Regen.

SCH isn't really a strong healer, its a preventer. So boosting SMN Physick would in essence give him similar healing power to an SCH.

Why is this important...

Well back in the day, SCH used to have similar DoT power to the SMN. They used to have both Bio and Miasma... and Bane. They nerfed it and removed it to where the SCH only has Bio now and no Bane to spread it to other targets. Which I thought was stupid, SCH is not as strong of a healer, meaning they had to focus more attention on Healing than WHM.... and previously you'd play SCH by throwing out your DoTs and then Bane it out to other targets... then just focus your attention on healing.

Which of course was the point. SCH was supposed to be like that precisely because its healing ability was not as good as WHM.

So this also swings both ways. SCH was stripped of its DoT abilities... and SMN just left with a healing spell that is completely worthless post 50th. This was their attempt to "split" the two. It was in my opinion dumb and hurt SCH a lot more than SMN.

[dinnertime]

So this also swings both ways. SCH was stripped of its DoT abilities... and SMN just left with a healing spell that is completely worthless post 50th. This was their attempt to "split" the two. It was in my opinion dumb and hurt SCH a lot more than SMN.

They could literally still have kept SCH having more than one DoT if they labeled it as a SCH skill instead, it's just they chose not to so they can homogenize the healer role.
Same for ACN/SMN. They could've removed Physick on ACN because SCH has their own version of Physick, but for unknown reasons they didn't.

[Crushnight]

This is actually a long story, and all of it has to do with SCH not necessarily SMN.

First of all, understand that SCH does not really have any direct heals other than Physick. The SCH's heals are all shields/pre-heals like Adlo/Galvanize and Succor. Its got a couple of direct heals that are stronger... but they're Aetherflow abilities so limited use. Their version of Egi Assaults are things like Regen.

SCH isn't really a strong healer, its a preventer. So boosting SMN Physick would in essence give him similar healing power to an SCH.

Why is this important...

Well back in the day, SCH used to have similar DoT power to the SMN. They used to have both Bio and Miasma... and Bane. They nerfed it and removed it to where the SCH only has Bio now and no Bane to spread it to other targets. Which I thought was stupid, SCH is not as strong of a healer, meaning they had to focus more attention on Healing than WHM.... and previously you'd play SCH by throwing out your DoTs and then Bane it out to other targets... then just focus your attention on healing.

Which of course was the point. SCH was supposed to be like that precisely because its healing ability was not as good as WHM.

So this also swings both ways. SCH was stripped of its DoT abilities... and SMN just left with a healing spell that is completely worthless post 50th. This was their attempt to "split" the two. It was in my opinion dumb and hurt SCH a lot more than SMN.

See that doesn't work since patch 5.05 there has been 2 different Energy Drains functionally different yet named the exact same, Physick could've had something similar happen, they could've removed it since functionally useless(even to sch it is the last resort gcd heal), could've made it scale of int instead of mind they have the power to have two skills named the same to do that, could've given Physick on acn/smn a different effect.

They just haven't done anything it oversight, laziness or so low priority (but then how did it survive 2 expansions of culling and yes ik fluid aura is still a thing)

[purgatori]

This is actually a long story, and all of it has to do with SCH not necessarily SMN.

First of all, understand that SCH does not really have any direct heals other than Physick. The SCH's heals are all shields/pre-heals like Adlo/Galvanize and Succor. Its got a couple of direct heals that are stronger... but they're Aetherflow abilities so limited use. Their version of Egi Assaults are things like Regen.

SCH isn't really a strong healer, its a preventer. So boosting SMN Physick would in essence give him similar healing power to an SCH.

Why is this important...

Well back in the day, SCH used to have similar DoT power to the SMN. They used to have both Bio and Miasma... and Bane. They nerfed it and removed it to where the SCH only has Bio now and no Bane to spread it to other targets. Which I thought was stupid, SCH is not as strong of a healer, meaning they had to focus more attention on Healing than WHM.... and previously you'd play SCH by throwing out your DoTs and then Bane it out to other targets... then just focus your attention on healing.

Which of course was the point. SCH was supposed to be like that precisely because its healing ability was not as good as WHM.

So this also swings both ways. SCH was stripped of its DoT abilities... and SMN just left with a healing spell that is completely worthless post 50th. This was their attempt to "split" the two. It was in my opinion dumb and hurt SCH a lot more than SMN.

I approach the classes/jobs from a lore-first perspective (which isn't to say that balance isn't important, but I'll leave the technical stuff to the players who excel in that area), so this attempt to split SCH and SMN doesn't sit well with me at all. Having only picked up these jobs quite recently, I don't have the history with how they have evolved/devolved over successive patches the way you guys do, I only know that I was shocked when I unlocked the jobs and found that so little ACN kit carried over into SCH, and that things like Energy drain worked completely differently between the two, etc. Then I discovered that there used to be a lot more carryover between the two, and thought "well, that makes a lot more sense than what we have now."

I particularly 'miss' the opportunity to cast more DoTs as a SCH, because this would make thematic sense given the origins of SCH, and give you something to do other than constantly casting ruin spam. Conversely, I'd either like to see Physick scale off INT, or perhaps be replaced with Adloquium to make up for the poor healing potency (though I quite like Titan's shield, so this would not be my preferred option).

[dinnertime]

or perhaps be replaced with Adloquium to make up for the poor healing potency (though I quite like Titan's shield, so this would not be my preferred option).

That would make no sense because Adloquium is a Scholar-exclusive ability. Also the last thing we need is people complaining that Summoner is getting too many defensive tools which will persuade the devs nerf, or worse rework the job again.