(Suggestion) Add minimum ilevel for roulettes based on your level

[GeminiReed]

I'd support adding a scaling minimum ilvl to the roulette but there's a caveat.

How do you handle folks that hit 60/70/etc. before they've unlocked the appropriate tomestone vendor? Or even white gear vendor? Somebody who's diligent about running roulettes is going to be 60 well before they hit HW. Same with SB and ShB. Are they now doomed to the vagaries of the market board or the good will of somebody who has? Too risky IMO.

There are two ways to handle that. The first is to use the min ilvl of the highest raid a character has unlocked. The second is to not story and region gate those vendors. As an aside having all the poetics vendors in one spot would be a huge QoL feature.

[linay]

I'd support adding a scaling minimum ilvl to the roulette but there's a caveat.

How do you handle folks that hit 60/70/etc. before they've unlocked the appropriate tomestone vendor? Or even white gear vendor? Somebody who's diligent about running roulettes is going to be 60 well before they hit HW. Same with SB and ShB. Are they now doomed to the vagaries of the market board or the good will of somebody who has? Too risky IMO.

There are two ways to handle that. The first is to use the min ilvl of the highest raid a character has unlocked. The second is to not story and region gate those vendors. As an aside having all the poetics vendors in one spot would be a huge QoL feature.

To be fair, roulettes are optional dailies that are meant to fill queues for duties while giving experience and tomestones as primary rewards. If your character is outleveling the content, you can afford not to do the roulettes and simply catch up by getting gear via going through the MSQ.

[PyurBlue]

To be fair, roulettes are optional dailies that are meant to fill queues for duties while giving experience and tomestones as primary rewards. If your character is outleveling the content, you can afford not to do the roulettes and simply catch up by getting gear via going through the MSQ.

That doesn't make it any less annoying to be arbitrarily locked out of content. I really dislike when solutions are proposed that end up trading one problem for another, and if a player could end up being locked out of the roulette then ilvl scaling or whatever is a really bad idea.

Just separate out the level 50 raids. Let people who only want to run them, run them. The players that want to run the other raids can queue in a 60+ alliance roulette. If you want to entice the former camp to run both roulettes, make the 60+ roulette give better rewards.

[linay]

That doesn't make it any less annoying to be arbitrarily locked out of content.

You wouldn't be arbitrarily locked out of content. That would imply there is no system to determine whether you can do a content, which there is. Level, item level, role, MSQ progression, prerequisite quest, and maximum daily/weekly cap requirements are all part of a system that does not arbitrarily lock you out of content.

[PyurBlue]

You wouldn't be arbitrarily locked out of content. That would imply there is no system to determine whether you can do a content, which there is. Level, item level, role, MSQ progression, prerequisite quest, and maximum daily/weekly cap requirements are all part of a system that does not arbitrarily lock you out of content.

I don't know, if you meet the requirements to enter all duties you've unlocked for a given roulette, but then can't queue for the roulette itself because you meet the requirements for a duty that you can't unlock and might not even know about, that would feel like an arbitrary restriction. Sure it's all defined by a set of rules, but it's potentially confusing and very likely frustrating. As much as the current alliance roulette situation bothers me I'd rather SE do nothing instead of changing things in such a way to create new problems.

[linay]

I don't know, if you meet the requirements to enter all duties you've unlocked for a given roulette, but then can't queue for the roulette itself because you meet the requirements for a duty that you can't unlock and might not even know about, that would feel like an arbitrary restriction. Sure it's all defined by a set of rules, but it's potentially confusing and very likely frustrating. As much as the current alliance roulette situation bothers me I'd rather SE do nothing instead of changing things in such a way to create new problems.

The lock wouldn't be in the duty, but in the roulette, which would tell you in plain, red letters what requirements you are missing. Roulettes can have separate requirements than the duties that are contained in the roulette.

[Metalwrath]

I'd support adding a scaling minimum ilvl to the roulette but there's a caveat.

How do you handle folks that hit 60/70/etc. before they've unlocked the appropriate tomestone vendor? Or even white gear vendor? Somebody who's diligent about running roulettes is going to be 60 well before they hit HW. Same with SB and ShB. Are they now doomed to the vagaries of the market board or the good will of somebody who has? Too risky IMO.

There are two ways to handle that. The first is to use the min ilvl of the highest raid a character has unlocked. The second is to not story and region gate those vendors. As an aside having all the poetics vendors in one spot would be a huge QoL feature.

The new players wouldnt be affected anyway.You cant unlock the level 50/60 or 70 alliance raid stories until you've progressed so far into story that you have unlocked the vendors for those levels.
Also new players will have racked up poetics from dungeons and trials through story as its their frist time it gives poetic bonus in all of their runs.This means they can gear up enough to get into the alliance dungeons for that approrpiate no problem.And if they cant do the entire lot they can just run the first of the series along with roulettes or the dungeons there are at that level to get higher gear drops.

The only people the change would affect is people to cheap and lazy to gear alt jobs who are the main problem.
Also think of the factor that new players are struggling to get into the level 60 or 70 alliance dungeons because the people gear switching when queueing or not gearing up when queueing are removing themselves from that part of the alliance roulette queue because they are forcing the game to queue them to only lvl 50 alliance dungeons.

[Kuroka]

How do you handle folks that hit 60/70/etc. before they've unlocked the appropriate tomestone vendor?

Uhm they dont need to out level even more? Or if they rly feel themselfs forced to use 1-200 ilvl higher gear then theyre needing they can as well buy it. And as pointed out, you cant unlock void ark before reaching iddleshire, nor rabanaste before rhalga's.

ITs the same as the mainstory roulet - if you dont like what you could get DONT QUE FOR IT.

[GeminiReed]

Uhm they dont need to out level even more

Need to level? Of course not. Hit the next expansion's level cap before entering said expansion? Very easy doing just daily roulettes. Even easier if you're sick of levelling and want to do something else for a change.

And as pointed out, you cant unlock void ark before reaching iddleshire, nor rabanaste before rhalga's.

Obviously and that's the point. The proposal is to force an ilvl minimum based on job level. It takes neither raid unlocks nor story progression into account.

Congratulations you've hit 60 before you've started 7th Astral! What? you want to run the alliance roulette now? Ohnonono! You now must be ilvl 235 (Dun Scaith's min) to queue for it!

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I assure you that I fully agree that the ilvl dodge needs to be addressed. A mandate that forces people to the marketboard is just going to make it a seller's market (I'd actually stand to gain from this) and pull the people that cannot or will not overpay for white gear out of the queue. Heck even the vendor gear would break some folks' budgets.

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I see two viable approaches. I'm discounting the inventory scan because if they can do that they can certainly implement repair all (leSigh).

- Level based enforced ilvl with accessible vendors
- Minimum ilvl based on the highest Alliance raid unlocked

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Need to level? Of course not. Hit the next expansion's level cap before entering said expansion? Very easy doing just daily roulettes. Even easier if you're sick of levelling and want to do something else for a change.


Obviously and that's the point. The proposal is to force an ilvl minimum based on job level. It takes neither raid unlocks nor story progression into account.

Congratulations you've hit 60 before you've started 7th Astral! What? you want to run the alliance roulette now? Ohnonono! You now must be ilvl 235 (Dun Scaith's min) to queue for it!

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I assure you that I fully agree that the ilvl dodge needs to be addressed. A mandate that forces people to the marketboard is just going to make it a seller's market (I'd actually stand to gain from this) and pull the people that cannot or will not overpay for white gear out of the queue. Heck even the vendor gear would break some folks' budgets.

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I see two viable approaches. I'm discounting the inventory scan because if they can do that they can certainly implement repair all (leSigh).

- Level based enforced ilvl with accessible vendors
- Minimum ilvl based on the highest Alliance raid unlocked

I'm pretty sure OP meant for this to complement the system already in place, not replace it. So until you actually unlock Void Ark, required ilvl would still be 90. Not to mention that you'd be unable to run the roulette in classes other than your main below 70, if that was the case.