Entitled people kick from FC harassing after??

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@Yakoo.
I'm not going to sit here and tell you how to run your FC. I don't care. We wont even meet eachother in game. This is all whatever. You do you. If your FC respects and follows you... fine. None of us can or should take that from you. or those harrassing you.

However;

You, as a leader, need to stop defending your actions. You need to stop lashing out at those that question your actions. I will not question the events that happened. on face value, you dodged a bullet, and their actions since are unacceptable. They need to live with your decision as much as you need to defend it. You are responsible for more than yourself. Protect those being affected adversly from your decisions. If there are targetted attacks, keep a level head and involve GMs.

BUT;

My own 2 cents here;
I would not want to be in an FC with a leader that I knew would publicly ridicule me on a forum page. Especially if I was kicked for ridiculing them on my own public stream. I don't like or respect hypocrisy.

I would not want to follow an FC leader that I know would go behind my back and betray their own word- especially without giving me a message that said word was even in question to begin with.

I would not want to follow an FC leader that would lash out at strangers that questioned their authority or actions after they publicly ridiculed me in public on a forum page.


In short;
If it's dealt with, then let it be dealt with. Don't drag the rotting horse into the street. That really is no better than what they did to you. "vengeance" isnt karma. You claimed you were "above" them, and yet this thread is the very definition of stooping to their level.
In fact, unless these are some large scale community pillars of FFXIV, I doubt they have the publicity of the front page of the general english forums. I would consider this very low, and does nothing to de-escalate the situation.

Even if I agree with your decisions then, I cannot agree with them now.

[Yakoo]

@Yakoo.
I'm not going to sit here and tell you how to run your FC. I don't care. We wont even meet eachother in game. This is all whatever. You do you. If your FC respects and follows you... fine. None of us can or should take that from you. or those harrassing you.

However;

You, as a leader, need to stop defending your actions. You need to stop lashing out at those that question your actions. I will not question the events that happened. on face value, you dodged a bullet, and their actions since are unacceptable. They need to live with your decision as much as you need to defend it. You are responsible for more than yourself. Protect those being affected adversly from your decisions. If there are targetted attacks, keep a level head and involve GMs.

BUT;

My own 2 cents here;
I would not want to be in an FC with a leader that I knew would publicly ridicule me on a forum page. Especially if I was kicked for ridiculing them on my own public stream. I don't like or respect hypocrisy.

I would not want to follow an FC leader that I know would go behind my back and betray their own word- especially without giving me a message that said word was even in question to begin with.

I would not want to follow an FC leader that would lash out at strangers that questioned their authority or actions after they publicly ridiculed me in public on a forum page.


In short;
If it's dealt with, then let it be dealt with. Don't drag the rotting horse into the street. That really is no better than what they did to you. "vengeance" isnt karma. You claimed you were "above" them, and yet this thread is the very definition of stooping to their level.
In fact, unless these are some large scale community pillars of FFXIV, I doubt they have the publicity of the front page of the general english forums. I would consider this very low, and does nothing to de-escalate the situation.

Even if I agree with your decisions then, I cannot agree with them now.

How is that actually ridiculing?? I'm not making fun of anyone or the situation. I shouldn't, when I also have different experiences??? I see a lot of mixed experiences/opinions here:
- It's ok you do whats best for your FC
- Its ok to change your mind
- Don't change your mind. when you given your word
- You can change your mind and nip it in the bud, if you have to
- Why should anybody care when its not their FC
etc, etc ,etc

1. I'm not making fun of no one, so that is not ridiculing. That's what you are saying.
2. If I have a good enough reason for my decision to be changed, then if its in the benefit of for the FC then I will take action to do it. You may say the opposing, but I would rather stop things at an early stage, the only thing your blaming me for here is that I changed my decision.
3. You say lash out when I stated in my past posts that some people don't even want to read. So I just repeat what I said. In no way shape of form is that ridiculing.

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Though "entitled people" in the thread name I would consider ridicule, I can retract my more harsher statements, as they were more meant to be a general thing, mostly because I'm not really intending to add to any fighting. So while I wont edit it, I will apologize for being a bit more snide and condemning than I intend. I apologize to you for using the wrong words I wanted to convey my stance and painting you in a worse light.
The crux of my stance, though still stands beyond any specific choice of words. and I would consider you focusing on that to be a deflection. So I'll wind it back to that, since you focus very heavily on that specific word choice;


I believe that dragging a localized event of harassment into a public forum to be little better than a witch hunt. While you may have a right, (and many of us would back your decision) to weed out problems within your FC, you are well OUTSIDE your right to announce those actions publicly; especially if the events have passed. That is a form of shaming.

In my eyes, you have not only betrayed your own stance by "not dropping to their level" by making a public thread, but you have gone further than they could by doing so. I'm calling it what it is; hypocrisy. and its that hypocrisy that gets under my skin. I do not think this thread is necessary.

I do not and cannot condone using a public forum for this purpose, ESPECIALLY since its about the actions of others doing the same thing.

[Yakoo]

Though "entitled people" in the thread name I would consider ridicule, I can retract my more harsher statements, as they were more meant to be a general thing, mostly because I'm not really intending to add to any fighting. So while I wont edit it, I will apologize for being a bit more snide and condemning than I intend. I apologize to you for using the wrong words I wanted to convey my stance and painting you in a worse light.

I believe that dragging a localized event of harassment into a public forum to be little better than a witch hunt. While you may have a right, (and many of us would back your decision) to weed out problems within your FC, you are well OUTSIDE your right to announce those actions publicly; especially if the events have passed. That is a form of shaming.

In my eyes, you have not only betrayed your own stance by "not dropping to their level" by making a public thread, but you have gone further than they could by doing so. I'm calling it what it is; hypocrisy. and its that hypocrisy that gets under my skin. I do not think this thread is necessary.

I do not and cannot condone using a public forum for this purpose, ESPECIALLY since its about the actions of others doing the same thing.

So you say that because I have "Entitled people" in my thread titles its ridiculing? This topic isn't a joke to be made of, nor do I find it funny. Like I said with you there are many mixed experience and opinions here.

Sharing my experience, but having some people say "Don't change your mind you've issued a warning", I will say this. If I was a member of "YOUR" FC for example. And you've given someone a warning for toxicity, and I told you it may lead to something bigger, would it be actually worth sticking to that warning? Some like me would say "NO, its not worth it", because if something was to happen and caused a even bigger mess than usual, I would be out of that FC so fast because they left it untreated and would be like "I told you so", its only a few people that were toxic against the rest of the people in the FC.

No names were given, so you don't know who they were, a form a shaming but with-out a name to go by?? You need a name to shame. But you sound like people who want to try to protect people for being shi*ty people.

You use the term "betray" on a matter that was deemed necessary for me to decide whether I want to change my mind or not. I don't want to leave doors open for future problems in the FC, so I decided to change it. Sure, people can change, but from my past experience after giving warnings, some people don't and continue their behaviour to obstruct and dismantle the FC and the ones that are left are there to pick up the pieces.

If you read on someone who said "I shouldn't have to drag it to public forums", in the previous posts. I said ok, and it was to share my experience on what has happened.