Emet-Selch Is Not That Tragic

[Savagelf]

let suppose for second hydaelyn and zodarck were created for by the desire of they creators. Hydaelyn was created to protect life, so her desire is to protect life for those who seek to take it by her nature she doing everything to prevent the ascians to destroy life of Erozath. while Zodark was first creative out hubist believe that they can and should create they god as such after they created it he feed by live aether not once but twice. in return the world was able proceed life once more yet much of race was lost in process of it if they were their summon the summoner desire player roles Hydaelyn and Zodarck creation. if they gods they creators desire play role in they come into beings. as for G'raha action we two separate time line by his choice he creator them. the first time line is his own which may very well stop to exists at some point. yet by his action the source was spare the 8th umber ages all the people who attack ironwork and all the life that lost in 8th umber didn't lose they lives on the source. G'raha by his action created two separate time line one were he left to stop the first for rejoin and one were he remain being stop ever by a suppose attack on Ironwork. his choice created two separate time lines.

Emet-Selch called Zodarck and Hydaelyn summon I think the term Gods are better apply to them. one was creator out desire to protect lifes, the other out of hubist for ability to write the laws of unverise and give Zodarck the free will.

to be honest I enjoy this discussion with you. I know it isn't easy to understand me I have writing disability so I sometime skip words when write a sentence I will write what I going say in my head but when come to paper or typing it won't be there but in my head it there. I am for American mind so English is my first language

[SDaemon]

let suppose for second hydaelyn and zodarck were created for by the desire of they creators. Hydaelyn was created to protect life, so her desire is to protect life for those who seek to take it by her nature she doing everything to prevent the ascians to destroy life of Erozath. while Zodark was first creative out hubist believe that they can and should create they god as such after they created it he feed by live aether not once but twice. in return the world was able proceed life once more yet much of race was lost in process of it if they were their summon the summoner desire player roles Hydaelyn and Zodarck creation. if they gods they creators desire play role in they come into beings. as for G'raha action we two separate time line by his choice he creator them. the first time line is his own which may very well stop to exists at some point. yet by his action the source was spare the 8th umber ages all the people who attack ironwork and all the life that lost in 8th umber didn't lose they lives on the source. G'raha by his action created two separate time line one were he left to stop the first for rejoin and one were he remain being stop ever by a suppose attack on Ironwork. his choice created two separate time lines.

Emet-Selch called Zodarck and Hydaelyn summon I think the term Gods are better apply to them. one was creator out desire to protect lifes, the other out of hubist for ability to write the laws of unverise and give Zodarck the free will.

to be honest I enjoy this discussion with you. I know it isn't easy to understand me I have writing disability so I sometime skip words when write a sentence I will write what I going say in my head but when come to paper or typing it won't be there but in my head it there. I am for American mind so English is my first language

Zodiark was summoned to save The Star from oblivion. It was explained that some unknown force caused the creation magics used by the ancient people of Amaurot to run amok and threaten to tear the Star apart. To avert this they used their creation magic to manifest the will of The Star. That will became Zodiark who then used his powers to avert disaster. I'm not sure where you are getting they did it out of hubris or that they simply wanted to see if they could create a god.

[Elladie]

let suppose for second hydaelyn and zodarck were created for by the desire of they creators. Hydaelyn was created to protect life, so her desire is to protect life for those who seek to take it by her nature she doing everything to prevent the ascians to destroy life of Erozath. while Zodark was first creative out hubist believe that they can and should create they god as such after they created it he feed by live aether not once but twice.

I can agree with you that Hydaelyn was probably created out of an urge to protect life; whether that turned out the way her creators expected, we don't know. Speculation that Hydaelyn's act of shattering the star into fourteen actually destroyed all the life on it (in the sense that 14 bits of me are not ME - imagine what you would feel like divided into 14, all your skills and abilities 14 times less - and that's even presuming you can remember who you were. I'm not sure what's worse to be honest, remembering would be torture, but if you don't remember then the original, undivided you has ceased to exist). But I have no idea why you have decided Zodiark was created out of hubris. Zodiark was created out of the will and sacrifice of all the people of Amaurot bar one (the Fouteenth member of the Convocation) and he was created to save the star.

as for G'raha action we two separate time line by his choice he creator them. the first time line is his own which may very well stop to exists at some point. yet by his action the source was spare the 8th umber ages all the people who attack ironwork and all the life that lost in 8th umber didn't lose they lives on the source. G'raha by his action created two separate time line one were he left to stop the first for rejoin and one were he remain being stop ever by a suppose attack on Ironwork. his choice created two separate time lines.

If G'raha's timeline stops - which is what he imagines will happen if he is successful - then everyone in it CEASES TO EXIST at the point it stops. All those thousands, maybe millions of people, just go POOF. The grandchildren and great grandchildren - because generations had passed since the 8th Calamity - of Aymeric and Nanamo and Khloe and Jessie et al - all just disappear as if they were never born. Because they were never born. G'raha knows this will happen - it is precisely what he expects to happen - but he still does it. How is that any more morally acceptable than rejoining the shards and putting the shattered individuals back together to make a 'whole' individual again?

I am NOT saying Emet Selch is innocent or a nice guy or anything - despite what some people like to infer. I loathed him in SB, but I thought the writer did a fantastic job with his character in ShB; my WoL was saddened by having to kill him. I do find it VERY FRUSTRATING that people seem to want to attack players who were able to empathise with him, and the double standard being applied here is really quite terrifying.

I haven't read every single post in the thread but I haven't seen any that have expressed admiration or support of genocide or disagreed that the Ascians as a whole have made a whole raft of morally suspect decisions. I have seen people expressing their praise for the writer's skill in creating an antagonist who was both believable and sympathetic despite being bent upon our 'destruction' ( bearing in mind he didn't see it as destruction, he saw it as putting back together the bits of his friends and family)

Suppose G'raha had decided to go back in time to before Hydaelyn was summoned and try to persuade us (the 14th) not to summon her? None of the people we know - including ourselves - would survive that. We'd all go poof. But it would save millions of deaths. Do you think Merlwyb and Kan E and Raubahn and Aymeric and Hien and co would support that?

I really don't think so ....