Ishgardian Restoration world visit.

[LaylaTsarra]

Funny statement to make considering a non-zero number of people have been locked out of the content experience.

So those wanderers making content off server should be kicked when the fate spawns is that what you're suggesting? Obviously lots aren't contributing (and thats not solely a wanderer issue) but for those who are. Seems the problem isn't the wanderers but the one instance that everyone is trying to be funneled into.

[JBee]

So those wanderers making content off server should be kicked when the fate spawns is that what you're suggesting? Obviously lots aren't contributing (and thats not solely a wanderer issue) but for those who are. Seems the problem isn't the wanderers but the one instance that everyone is trying to be funneled into.

I think the issue is being exacerbated by the discord servers popping up regarding the rebuild. People are organizing timetables of the upcoming fates on all servers across data centers (I'm looking at one right now). People aren't happening to chance upon a fate's time to fire off, they are planning in advance and camping to make sure they get in. So when you have, for instance, A at 7:00, B at 8:00, and C at 9:00, B is getting flooded with the horde from the discord (which filters out to CWLS and LS) to the next one to make sure they get in. So players on their own home worlds are getting locked out for long periods of time.

But you make a really good point though. It would be just as rude to force kick a Wanderer out right as it starts after they spent their time waiting.

Just my personal opinion: I think Wanderers should NOT be allowed inside instances of The Firmament with a FATE coming up, and five minutes before it is scheduled to begin, anyone can get in if there is room. Give the Home World players ample time to get in first. If you are a Wanderer in The Firmament and the progress bar completes, then you are given notice you have 10 minutes to leave the instance or you will be removed. Also, add an AFK timer to ALL players on ALL worlds of an AFK timer in The Firmament - just like in Eureka. There have been tons and tons of people hanging out in Firmament just because it is new and there is a crowd. People are standing around emoting afk for hours, etc - and they are preventing the people who are trying to participate from entering.

[LaylaTsarra]

There have been tons and tons of people hanging out in Firmament just because it is new and there is a crowd. People are standing around emoting afk for hours, etc - and they are preventing the people who are trying to participate from entering.

Yes it's a problem and yes discord servers do lots of things from organizing hunts, to BA to the Firmament. That's not necessarily a bad thing. The problem isn't the organization or the people hanging out but the fact that SE didn't have the foresight to realize that one instance was going to be a major problem. Lets hope they can remedy this quickly and add more instances. i'm personally against locking people out but I can understand why people are upset.

[Travi]

Yes it's a problem and yes discord servers do lots of things from organizing hunts, to BA to the Firmament. That's not necessarily a bad thing. The problem isn't the organization or the people hanging out but the fact that SE didn't have the foresight to realize that one instance was going to be a major problem. Lets hope they can remedy this quickly and add more instances. i'm personally against locking people out but I can understand why people are upset.

I would imagine that the "emergency measures" that Yoshi-P referenced is, likely, instanced areas for the Firmament. That is pure speculation, however - but I feel it would alleviate a lot of the issues that people are facing right now. Then, you can adjust the FATE based off how many crafters are present. This algorithm is already in the game, as known by open-world FATEs who adjust mob spawns based on the number of players present.

[Nezerius]

I would imagine that the "emergency measures" that Yoshi-P referenced is, likely, instanced areas for the Firmament. That is pure speculation, however - but I feel it would alleviate a lot of the issues that people are facing right now. Then, you can adjust the FATE based off how many crafters are present. This algorithm is already in the game, as known by open-world FATEs who adjust mob spawns based on the number of players present.

Actually, FATEs don't actively scale based on the number of players currently present. They scale based on the numbers of players that completed it previously. I'm also not sure if adding more instances could work, since they might not be able to sync the progress of all three instances.

[Nalien]

Nothing like checking the Firmament in the morning, seeing we still haven't finished the stockpile stage, then looking around the zone and seeing it half-filled with Wanderer's (I counted about 18), only one of whom is actually contributing anything at all. Rest all standing around staring at the notice board waiting for that sweet sweet FATE money.

Sure am looking forward to these same people claiming they're the sole reason Twintania finished stockpiling, just like last time. Even though they're literally doing nothing. Great content.

Actually, FATEs don't actively scale based on the number of players currently present. They scale based on the numbers of players that completed it previously.

Sync the FATE to the time it took for the stockpile stage to be completed; Slower stockpiles result in an easier FATE, given slower stockpiling likely means low participation numbers to begin with. Essentially treat the stockpile stage as a FATE to scale the second Concerted Works FATE off of.

Done. Now we don't need World Visit to "ensure Concerted Works are completed". We can just lock out Wanderer's and stop all this d*ck waving, bitterness, and lock-out drama.