Can we please put Coils of Bahamut in normal raid roulette?

[SieneskaSanura]

So again:

The argument is it's too hard.

Why are any of the raids on roulettes? None of them are required to move the MSQ forward.

Castrum MEridianum and Praetorium would beg to differ

[MeanDragon]

Castrum MEridianum and Praetorium would beg to differ

I bowed out of this discussion and admitted I was wrong...

Those 2 have their own category on the roulettes. So they are not part of this.

[kazzel120]

Erm sorry 8 man Dungeon does not = raid lol. Even when both of these were new it was face roll. In fact it was the best way to farm the lowest tier tomes.

[Nestama]

Y'know, all this discussion on difficulty, and we haven't even stopped to consider the additional reason this shouldn't be added to roulettes. Cutscenes. Forget fights being too difficult, players will absolutely definitely bail just to not be stuck waiting for others watching the loooong scenes before some of the raids even start.

That's actually a good point. While people can skip them (unless SE force people to watch the cutscenes, in which case that will make Normal Raid Roulette a dead roulette for some people), the person new to the fight/zone and doesn't care what other players think will most likely keep on watching.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

While I understand your valid argument, I don't think any single one of those things directly matters largely because none of which you pointed out is somehow avoided in later content with similar mechanics to coil. You get the same terribles if they are gonna exist regardless and you boot/kick or disband accordingly. Here's another idea, if you and anyone was THAT worried, that it can't somehow be done, then simply implement the same lock that already exists on roulettes when new content is added, they need to beat the fight before the roulette is active. Anyone whose already did coils will be in the DF pool. Also ftr, free gear you get from MSQ already out levels coils ilvl130 cap. It's fear mongering to express that the average player on DF will both:

1) Not meet the minimum ilvl for coil
And
2) Also not be over ilvl and synced down

That's just not as common as anyone tries to point out and if you gate the roulette for those that haven't beaten it, you lose nothing as now people will simply move to unlock it again as they do every single time normals are added. What a better time then the lull of a non raid season (like now) where people can be invested into something again. These fights are fairly zerg friendly but most haven't went in recently to see that.




Nice troll. Too much incompetence though.

I only see a troll here: a contrarian one who's insulting other posters by calling them fearmongers and apparently is unaware of the current state of DF population.

You're starting to sound like the typical raider troll who claims everything is easy because they only run duties with their orange buddies.

[BloodRubyXII]

That's how Eden is too basically though. One incompetent person can wipe the whole instance, which I see happen a fair few times with E2 and the stack/aoe split that goes off at the same time. I do agree that the skills culling would make things difficult, and I didn't think about that. Especially how they haven't really considered balancing for the lower levels. But there still needs to be some option for this. As it is, it's basically content that isn't even actually there.

Yes, but whilst people in this game have proven on numerous occasions they can play for years and still lack basic common sense, people in Eden are 80 and by then will have some basic comprehension of how to adapt to raid mechanics. Coils are 50 and were considered difficult for their time even on normal; if the content leading up to unlocking it was of considerable difficulty for new players to the point they'd make it up the steep learning curve to be able to beat coils, then sure, but given their end content is Nabriales who is now a joke and Steps of Faith which is equally hilarious because it only takes a couple of people to know what they're doing to finish it; it's simply too big of a jump. Common sense eventually does prevail in Edenscape when there are a couple of people that'll turn the raid into a weakness debuff fiasco, but the same mistakes in a few of the turns in coil will inevitably end the fight and in T9 even if you even make it past the transition that is going to drive people berserk, and in typical roulette fashion it'll just happen to be the one that pops every time.

I'd love to do synced coils again, but I know it'd be a frustrating clown fiesta of an abandon fest that simply just won't be worth the exp.

[RadicalPesto]

The way some people are speaking about DF here makes it sound like it's impossible to clear even o12n or e4n in the duty finder, all while overhyping the mechanics of massively nerfed fights like T6. Fights like T9 are definitely not clearable on the duty finder, but there's no reason to keep them at that difficulty level, given that they're ancient, its impossible to experience them as they used to be (classes have been majorly changed since then), and a new player will get a better experience of coil by doing an easy 8 person raid than by being carried by an invincible level 80 player.

[AngeliouxRein]

I think all of those who are incredibly disturbed by the idea of Coil being added to duty roulette should literally just create a party finder and run it sync. Just come back after that with your own honest report on how it went.

We've all been in DF countless times but that has not stopped people from creating threads that ask for more challenging and engaging content. You all seriously need to stop letting the bads take over this game to the extent of you thinking that every run you have had is terrible. I have had terrible runs but they have not stopped me from queuing up for harder content anyway across all the characters I have played. Bad runs are not common and you know it. Otherwise, a certain thread would probably be well over its size then what it is.

And even when you bring up the whole cutscenes argument, you can't speak for an entire community that you won't find not a single group that is willing to let you watch cut scenes. I have run into far more people from Aether to Primal and now to Crystal that have let me watch all, one more time, ALL cutscenes. This character is brand new and I watched every cutscene from long to short without so much as a blip from any of the parties I was in. Most were actually happy to let me do it while they chatted away amongst themselves. So no I don't believe that this community is suddenly League of Legends and everybody baby rages at the drop of a dime.

Just stop trying to act like you met everyone who plays.

All we're asking for is easier access to Coil. I have only been able to go through Coil twice and its simply because no one likes to run old content. When I did finally get to do Coil, for both times there were more newbies then vets and both times the vets were able to easily guide us through everything. It was nothing. And now here I am needing to do Coil again on this character but honestly, I am reluctant because I really can't stand the fact that I have to use Party Finder. But I want to do it because I had so much fun in there during my last runs. Wipes and all. And a side note, both times the vets thought it was fun to run sync with us random newbies.

TLR Stop putting words into an entire community like you have met them all individually and let us have easier access to Coil already!

[Nestama]

Party finder doesn't really simulate duty finder roulette, though. You have to consider that there will be someone in the party (maybe more) who are only there for a quick and easy win, are expecting 7 players to carry them and/or don't really know how to play their Job yet. Also gotta factor in the player who doesn't read party chat, too.

Coil is already easy to access, anyway. Just do it unsync'd. You can even solo most of them at level 80 (maybe not T9. T11 also takes awhile for the trash section. Also have to deal with Ultra Egg).

[Havenchild]

I only see a troll here: a contrarian one who's insulting other posters by calling them fearmongers and apparently is unaware of the current state of DF population.

You're starting to sound like the typical raider troll who claims everything is easy because they only run duties with their orange buddies.

I call it for what it is absolutely. Fear-mongering by the forums for no true reason. If your opinion to all of my valid arguments is that, I only run content with lolorange parse buddies /FC mates/ friends and don't touch DF literally at all, then your reading comprehension sucks.

DF is not the travesty people claim it is and as someone who is more of a loner/puger of the community, and has actually did this content post 5.0, I literally fit the description of someone who can give the most honest assessment in this thread.

I've been playing since 2.0 beta and have DF/PF'd damn near everything in this game the moment it came out. Battle Mentor, that actually helps people with recommendations in content on all levels. Have actually completed all content but ult, pre-nerf & post-nerf. Eden Savage downed in Week2 on PF alone (if anyone thinks this is easy, I got news for you)

I've been around. If anyone is seriously doubting my credentials, I invite you to explore my lodestone. My post aren't troll or close to. They are honest assessments of the content and I am more than sure some of these naysayers would agree with my perspective if they actually tried these fights in today's state of game.