Can we please put Coils of Bahamut in normal raid roulette?

[Endeleon]

Okay you think you want this, but you really don't.

T9 was a nightmare to run even unsynced at level 70 since you still had to do the mechanics. It did make it easier, but one mistake would cause a wipe.

Imagining that instance synced, with randoms who are doing it for their first time with our current df trends, would be a missing layer of Dante's Inferno.

That's how Eden is too basically though. One incompetent person can wipe the whole instance, which I see happen a fair few times with E2 and the stack/aoe split that goes off at the same time. I do agree that the skills culling would make things difficult, and I didn't think about that. Especially how they haven't really considered balancing for the lower levels. But there still needs to be some option for this. As it is, it's basically content that isn't even actually there.

[Noitems]

That's how Eden is too basically though. One incompetent person can wipe the whole instance, which I see happen a fair few times with E2 and the stack/aoe split that goes off at the same time. I do agree that the skills culling would make things difficult, and I didn't think about that. Especially how they haven't really considered balancing for the lower levels. But there still needs to be some option for this. As it is, it's basically content that isn't even actually there.

You need to understand that there's a big difference between Coils and Normal Raids.

Coil even back in it's original form was THE final piece of content you could run, it was the highest level thing you could do. It was also a piece of story content relating to 1.0 which has canon events in it, so many people would run it for the completion. The mechanics and dps checks were crucial there, as it was essentially savage before it even existed.. In the current days from HW they specifically divided the Normal and Savage versions so that those who wanted to run for story could just do normal, and those who wanted the challenge could run savage.

Coils has waaaaay too much shit going on that a df group of new players wouldn't understand, hell you even use E2 as an example and that's a breeze compared to some of the coil fights. PF exists so people can run these fights in whatever way they choose, and many people will gladly help for a story run. However anything beyond that will be a test of patience and with how many sprouts are jumping into EX trials without knowing a single thing of what they're getting into, I don't want to imagine coils in the rous.

[Endeleon]

You need to understand that there's a big difference between Coils and Normal Raids.

Coil even back in it's original form was THE final piece of content you could run, it was the highest level thing you could do. It was also a piece of story content relating to 1.0 which has canon events in it, so many people would run it for the completion. The mechanics and dps checks were crucial there, as it was essentially savage before it even existed.. In the current days from HW they specifically divided the Normal and Savage versions so that those who wanted to run for story could just do normal, and those who wanted the challenge could run savage.

Coils has waaaaay too much shit going on that a df group of new players wouldn't understand, hell you even use E2 as an example and that's a breeze compared to some of the coil fights. PF exists so people can run these fights in whatever way they choose, and many people will gladly help for a story run. However anything beyond that will be a test of patience and with how many sprouts are jumping into EX trials without knowing a single thing of what they're getting into, I don't want to imagine coils in the rous.

I've done them though. i do not agree with you that they are harder than normal eden.

[Noitems]

I've done them though. i do not agree with you that they are harder than normal eden.

Did you do them synced or unsynced?

[Endeleon]

Did you do them synced or unsynced?

Synced. During stormblood, with my FC. It didn't require anymore coordination than the Omega normals did.

[Espritduo]

Synced. During stormblood, with my FC. It didn't require anymore coordination than the Omega normals did.

Then you got carried by people who knew what they were doing or you are grossly understating how much time your FC spent on clearing them. To compare synced Coil to NM 8-mans is so delusional I don't even have words to describe it. There is no comparison, period. And this is coming from someone who cleared all of coil back in the day before 3.0 dropped, so I know what it was, and still is like synced. Putting it in a roulette designed for casual pick-up-and-clear content (which is what NM is) will never happen.

[JowyAtreides]

Synced. During stormblood, with my FC. It didn't require anymore coordination than the Omega normals did.

It was at this moment, this became a troll thread

[MariaArvana]

I've done them though. i do not agree with you that they are harder than normal eden.

T9 Golem phase alone laughs at every mechanic in Alexander, Omega and Eden normal.

Trying to co-ordinate a DF group to do T8's tower mechanics, or trying to actually survive the Golem phase on T9 in general, let alone expecting pugs to handle fire/ice/thunder correctly is a dream when PF can barely do them correctly in the many times I've unsynced the fights to brute force through people's mess ups. Not to mention expecting people to know how to bait divebombs in T5, T9, T13 without someone screwing it up lol.

Coil's mechanics are far more punishing due to the vastly increased rate of one-hit kills or raid wipes. The only fight in any tier I feel is close to a coil fight is maybe A8, A12, O12 & maybe E4, and even then I'd only pit them on the same level as the lower end coil fights; due to how forgiving they are compared to the actual hard coil fights. If they were added to the roulette you'd see people ilvl fishing for T1-4 only, as pretty much anything T5+ has an extremely high chance of being a circus and end in leaving/abandonment.

Like, think about how people can fail stuff like Orbonne and Dun Scaith, which are easier than Coil and many people ilvl fish to avoid them as a result. It'd be the same logic with Hard coils vs easy coils + everything else in the roulette.

[SenorPatty]

I've done them though. i do not agree with you that they are harder than normal eden.

Normal Eden will never be on the same level as T9 coil and above. Normal Eden will have people going in blind and clear in one to three tries. T9 and above will have people going in blind and quit, then complain in the forums that it needs all kind of nerfs.

Idk about you but I have seen the Coil complaint threads. For eden normal, the complaints have been relegated to Tales of Df rather than a standalone one.

[Krojack]

I would stop running that roulette if this happened.

Coils doesn't have a normal and savage mode. It's pretty much all hard mode and you will never get clears if you toss it into the roulette. People will wipe and vote abandon.

Coils are on par with primal ex fights with learning.