Summoner is doing too much in 5.10

[Myon88]

I don't mind losing raise if it'll settle the debate once and for all, even though I personally enjoy playing the role of raise caster. I like having more responsibility and control over how fast we progress a fight as a dps, so I don't think it's a bad thing for jobs to have niches in this game. It gives the different jobs character, even if it means some people suffer if their playstyle doesn't align with their preferred job's niche. Red mage is the best in progression bar done, black mage is a lock for speedruns, and smn can flexibly fill both roles if you're willing to lower your standards a bit.

I mean there's no reason raise has to be viewed as a 'caster' thing making it about blm vs rdm/smn (and even that's only if you buy into 1 caster comps). It's more like the two dps jobs that can raise just happen to be casters by chance. If they gave some melees a CPR skill that raised people or something, would people still be focusing on red mage and summoner so much?

Anyway, that's besides the point. The real issue to consider is that if raise didn't exist, it would mean that rdps balance between the 3 casters would start looking a lot closer to what it looks like for the ranged. I wonder if black mages are ready to accept that? Either black mage will take a massive dps nerf to fall in line with machinist, or summoner and red mage will be buffed to its level. It might even be the case that red mage does more rdps than black mage when that day comes.

If that ever happens, I hope the narrative won't shift to some other excuse, like "Red mage is an easier job so it still deserves to do less damage" or something about everlasting flight again (lol). Like I mentioned awhile ago, there are 10+ reasons why black mages are unpopular in groups, and raise/rdm/smn is just one of them. If you take raise away and black mages still can't compete for a spot on an even playing field, you'll see people realize what the other reasons are really quick.

[Kabooa]

I wonder if black mages are ready to accept that?.

You mean, the status quo we've had other than Alphascape and this tier? I think we'll handle it with a tad bit more grace than the Summoners who lose their raise and start losing to Machinists.