Summoner is doing too much in 5.10

[Galvuu]

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It was actually just shy of 1.5k.
And the FFlogs data disagrees with your statement... a good SMN wins out. You literally need to dig into top 50 for BLM to win out.
But yes, 5.0 was definitely imbalanced. You do yourself a discredit by being so hyperbolic :c

dont compare Blm from other tiers to assess Blm now.., Blm has had huge issues throughout every expansion

This isn't true either. As far as casters go, 4.4/4.5 was actually mostly ok.
The QoL changes on 5.0 were also quite decent for BLM. Funny enough, Midas was also ok for BLM. So the job was pretty much ok 1/3 of the time.
Which is "bad" overall, but honestly it was never horribly dysfunctional, which is better than half the jobs in this game. It might've subpar in terms of balance, but I think BLM was only almost unplayable in 3.0 and 4.0 with the old AF timer and ultra tight rotation.
Those days weren't fun. BLM mains actually have it "ok". Neither great nor terrible.

[remiff]

It was actually just shy of 1.5k.
And the FFlogs data disagrees with your statement... a good SMN wins out. You literally need to dig into top 50 for BLM to win out.
But yes, 5.0 was definitely imbalanced. You do yourself a discredit by being so hyperbolic :c



This isn't true either. As far as casters go, 4.4/4.5 was actually mostly ok.
The QoL changes on 5.0 were also quite decent for BLM. Funny enough, Midas was also ok for BLM. So the job was pretty much ok 1/3 of the time.
Which is "bad" overall, but honestly it was never horribly dysfunctional, which is better than half the jobs in this game. It might've subpar in terms of balance, but I think BLM was only almost unplayable in 3.0 and 4.0 with the old AF timer and ultra tight rotation.
Those days weren't fun. BLM mains actually have it "ok". Neither great nor terrible.

maybe before, but now the blm have one of the best caster kit, not in sense that not have any raid utility , but at the level of the job disign for the downtime and mobility 5.0 blm is by far the best blm disign.

For the Summoner,
yes he beats the blm who have 75% performance or below, if the summoner beats them because his kit is more mobile and will not be interrupted, a medium blm can easily lose a fire 4 and is by this made more punished by his mistakes than a summoner

the high-percentage blm stay far ahead of the High % Summoner at the dps lvl

and the only way to correct this problem is to increase the firepower of the blm and its mobility kit
or completely destroy the Summoner , smn dps need to be decrease very slightly 400 dps less is fine .

[lulunami]

rDPS on FFlogs over the entire tier for E4S (Titan) at the 99th percentile. BLM, MNK, SAM are still higher than SMN in a movement heavy fight.



Also most groups make the rangers Limit Break so that is why their DPS may be lower than usual compared to everyone else.

[lulunami]

Compare SMN versus everyone else in E1S at the 99th percentile. SMN is just great at padding the adds and orb phase compared to everyone else. SMN is the only job that can attack the boss and the 4 orbs at once as far as I know.

[lulunami]

Now let see how SMN does in a striking dummy type of fight like E2S. SMN got a lot better, but still much less than BLM and MNK's all time highs at the 99th percentile. SMN dps is still lower than the new SAM.

[Nemekh]

Of the DPS we are, White Mage is pretty much the only other job that can hit all 4 spheres and Eden efficiently. E1s is going to be heavily skewed to us from that alone, it's why prior to 5.10 that our E1s numbers appeared "healthier" vs the upper half if you looked at total damage and not boss damage. If you look to boss damage now we're much closer bounded, however, it shows more of the same story of Summoner's current strength.

[lulunami]

Let's look at E3S (Leviathan), the fight almost everyone thinks is annoying because of the mechanics. SMN is still lower than BLM, SAM, and MNK (before Anatman nerf). BLM has not been nerfed at all to put that in perspective.



So overall, SMN got a big buff which everyone believes is true. However, E1S is where the data can get skewed a lot because of the ridiculous cleaving potential SMN has over any other DPS job (besides WHM like Nemekh stated).

[Lambdafish]

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Looking at those images, I'm too distracted by the sadness that is BRD.

[HyperiusUltima]

Let's look at E3S (Leviathan), the fight almost everyone thinks is annoying because of the mechanics. SMN is still lower than BLM, SAM, and MNK (before Anatman nerf). BLM has not been nerfed at all to put that in perspective.



So overall, SMN got a big buff which everyone believes is true. However, E1S is where the data can get skewed a lot because of the ridiculous cleaving potential SMN has over any other DPS job (besides WHM like Nemekh stated).

Yet this does not justify the mobility clause that Ranged has been under for years. SMN has had mobility yes, but at a cost to either it’s MP or Damage for that GCD unless the cast for the spell is Instant. If they are going to keep SMN like this this time around, they are going to have to improve the Ranged Role’s Damage capacity and nullify the mobility tax they have with DPS(MCH comes to mind with this).

[Nemekh]

This is why I've said many a time here, on discord and elsewhere that this is not a matter of SMN vs BLM, but the bigger picture with all jobs in mind regardless of whether job roles are shared with us or not.

Of the jobs that received increases which specifically included all Ranged and RDM, none were lifted up to the extent that Summoner was. Bringing awareness of this was not a call for nerfing SMN, but for one to show cause for concern in particular to the jobs still lagging considerably behind.

The big picture is important. SE can go even further with improving balance globally. They have said they will be continuously making adjustments and I hope they will make the right calls.