Summoner is doing too much in 5.10

[Myon88]

Everlasting Flight is a passive buff that actually do more healing

Not good enough, you don't look solely at pure throughput to determine the effectiveness of a heal. Vercure is not only targeted but also on demand which puts a massive premium on it. If you're on fire, you don't put it out by standing in a drizzle, you need someone with a hose. Take ucob for example, with vercure you can spot heal people that the healers might've missed and save them from the upcoming gigaflare. This is one the most common gimmicks in the entire fight and vercure pulls its weight every time. Erase, that tiny ogcd heal role action that most people probably already forgot existed, was a more effective summoner healing tool than everlasting flight.

Swiftcast is wholly insufficient to compensate for what dualcast can do. People die frequently or in multiples all the time when learning a fight, far more than the minute's cooldown on swiftcast can keep up with.

You're welcome to value summoner's utility tools however you like, but I venture I've more experience in high stakes raiding than you, so I trust my judgment far more. In fact, when alex comes out next week, I'm going to be heading in as rdm until we near the enrage - as I imagine the casters of most good groups will be doing.

[wereotter]

You're welcome to value summoner's utility tools however you like, but I venture I've more experience in high stakes raiding than you, so I trust my judgment far more. In fact, when alex comes out next week, I'm going to be heading in as rdm until we near the enrage - as I imagine the casters of most good groups will be doing.

tl/dr

"I think I'm better than you, so without making any evaluation on you, and without knowing you at all, I'm going to assume you're wrong"

Also high end raiding doesn't always mean you're right about certain skills or abilities, especially when those things have just all changed. I can admit that I might be mistaken about the value of some skills over others, but that doesn't also mean that I'm wrong about them all either.

Also.... I loved erase. I want it back

[Myon88]

"I think I'm better than you, so without making any evaluation on you, and without knowing you at all, I'm going to assume you're wrong"

I'm not better than you, I just have more firsthand experience, and that's important when we're trying to uncover the facts of the situation.

I even provided explicit examples of why you'd prefer on demand utility like vercure, can you do the same? Anyone who has progged ucob on red mage can attest to that. Or we can just wait till ultimate comes out in a week and compare notes, everyone will be starting from an even playing field then. I encourage everyone to try it. It's easy to make judgment calls from a position of comfort, but some insights into job design can only be gleaned when you push them to their limit.