5.1 NIN slowed down and uninteresting

[Kaeoni]

Ninjutsu being on GCD is a real bummer. And that's coming from a ninja who's Raiton would clip between GCDs. Those of you who complain Ninja was unplayable either have some of the worst connections (I played for a long time with 5-7 Mbps down and 0.2-0.5 Up), and/or you never played Ninja on launch. A/The solution was mitigating the damage loss by allowing us Fuma as a viable alternative. W/o Dripping blades Fuma really suffered in 5.0. now with Ninjutsu being on GCD, the only time you'll ever Fuma is when you use Ten Chi Jin. SE couldn't simply Potency boost to make things fair for those of us farther away from the servers, that would just exacerbate the problem making the damage gap larger. So I do understand why they did this. I just don't necessarily agree with them messing with the game feel of Ninja in search of consistency.

For the most part I like the changes, especially to the Ability Ten Chi Jin. But Ninjutsu being on GCD is kind of a deal breaker for me personally. If you like the changes, more power to you. But I for one dislike them so much I'm probably going to play something else this expansion. For how chaotic Nin was on 5.0 launch, i liked it more than GCD Ninjutsu. It's what made Ninja unique for me. Now Ninjutsu is just a normal combo. It's a slight change, but it really slows everything down more than necessary imo. To Yoshi P. and the rest of the dev team I still love you guys, Just slightly less than a week ago. haha =)

[Shurrikhan]

How would you propose they fix the ping issue? I have high ping because I'm 100s of miles from the datacenter, not from any fault of SEs. I appreciate them making NIN playable for me.

1. Categorize Mudras alike to the GCD, as presently the case, but do not have them incur global recast penalty from other global recast actions, similarly to HW-era Empyreal Arrow.
2. Give Ninjutsu a shorter global recast cost.

Done. Very nearly the old Ninja apm, but with ping-compensation.

[snipski]

I miss the the fast paced Ninja it never felt this bad doing mudras...
First they ruin Astro now my favorite melee Ninja RIP.

[Rivinhal]

How would you propose they fix the ping issue? I have high ping because I'm 100s of miles from the datacenter, not from any fault of SEs. I appreciate them making NIN playable for me.

How would I fix it?
I'd probably do exactly what they did. But that doesn't necessarily mean there weren't other options and that I'm not sympathetic to old NIN players.

Regardless, don't mistake my speculation for criticism. I personally like the changes they've made because, like you, I can actually play the job now.

[Osteichthyes]

It's interesting, because to me the job now feels like it has a better flow. Every action is now slightly measured instead of cramming as much into as small a space as possible making it feel very disjointed. You can actually think and plan (though this comes from the charges, not the GCD), and it's nice to be able to play a job and know that the deciding factor to how well I perform is my own skill, not latency. I really like the new NIN.

[Vendalwind]

It's interesting, because to me the job now feels like it has a better flow. Every action is now slightly measured instead of cramming as much into as small a space as possible making it feel very disjointed. You can actually think and plan (though this comes from the charges, not the GCD), and it's nice to be able to play a job and know that the deciding factor to how well I perform is my own skill, not latency. I really like the new NIN.

The charge on mudras instead of kass, and mudra cooldown happening on mudra cast is wonderful. That, tcj fix, and meisui change were absolutely wonderful.

[Shurrikhan]

The charge on mudras instead of kass, and mudra cooldown happening on mudra cast is wonderful. That, tcj fix, and meisui change were absolutely wonderful.

Meisui not being a trap and the TCJ adjustment really are beautiful. The Kass change to a free extra charge rather than a reset and the second Ninjutsu charge feel almost a little too convenient to me, but I mostly appreciate them, too. On the whole, if we could have just gotten those features and the ping compensation with less slow-down, I'd be loving the heck out of NIN right now.

[Duskane]

to me mudras feel way better seem more inline with combos
before they felt like they were working against you sometimes

just smoother and feels just as fast overall

also much more faithful of a rework than what Ast or Drk got

[Ash_]

At this point I'm hoping Thief/Assassin are in the works for next expansion. There has always been an issue where everything NIN feels forced on the base class Rogue and the 2 have always been in conflict. From the amazing Rogue quests to the downright terrible NIN quests, contrasted with the fast Rogue actions to the sluggish NIN actions.

I had this random thought as well where we could use a 'Rogue' stance skill; all mudras are disabled for a big boost to all melee skills and a native 10% skill speed boost.

[Kuwago]

I'm more disappointed that Kassatsu lost it charges and went into Ten/Chi/Jin especially since we have two new Ninjutsu's that's locked behind Kassatsu. I mean I understand that it's going to be pretty unbalanced since they increased the potencies by a lot.

Also, Can someone explain why Meisui recast got increased to 120 sec? it feels too much for just a measly 50 ninki, like I understand that's one ninki skill but 2 minute cooldown seems too much.