Thread: 5.1 NIN slowed down and uninteresting

I'm more disappointed that Kassatsu lost it charges and went into Ten/Chi/Jin especially since we have two new Ninjutsu's that's locked behind Kassatsu. I mean I understand that it's going to be pretty unbalanced since they increased the potencies by a lot.

Also, Can someone explain why Meisui recast got increased to 120 sec? it feels too much for just a measly 50 ninki, like I understand that's one ninki skill but 2 minute cooldown seems too much.

Originally Posted by Kuwago

Also, Can someone explain why Meisui recast got increased to 120 sec? it feels too much for just a measly 50 ninki, like I understand that's one ninki skill but 2 minute cooldown seems too much.

You wouldn't be using it more than that anyways. It's 120 sec to line up perfectly with TCJ and every other TA, which is the only time you put up Suiton outside of setting up TA. Raiton is 800 potency and Bava only 300, so you never want to waste ninjutsu cd just for 50 ninki. With everything being so streamlined now, there's no need to manipulate your ninki to line up Bunshin with TA, you should always naturally have 50 when Bunshin goes off cd and you should use it right away unless there's downtime.

i guess im in the minority but i love the new ninja. it was never my main but i like how it feels like the opposite of rdm where as rdm are spellcaster with some melee, the new nin is melee with some spells. i miss kassatsu being guaranteed crit though.

The slowness described on "waiting for the mudras" isn't really an issue when you play with it a little under optimal gameplay.
Mainly the mudras are used inside trick attack, in which you have plenty abilities you should be using, making the time between the last ninjutsu execution and the next mudra way shorter than what i was back in 5.0X

It does indeed feel kinda sad in between trick attacks, where you only use a bhava or a bunshin and a bhava up until your next trick.

Overall, a good change in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Kaeoni

Ninjutsu being on GCD is a real bummer. And that's coming from a ninja who's Raiton would clip between GCDs. Those of you who complain Ninja was unplayable either have some of the worst connections (I played for a long time with 5-7 Mbps down and 0.2-0.5 Up), and/or you never played Ninja on launch

Ration would nearly always clip your gcds even on the fastest of connections it was just a case of how much it would clip.

Also as far as connection goes bandwidth or speed doesn't matter so much it's all about latency.

As an example my mobile phone running 4g can hit like 50meg download and 7or8 meg upload speeds but generally has a horrific latency of between 200-350ms.

My home broadband is only 25meg download and 6upload. But I get a latency of 100-150ms.

Basically my 25meg connection is better for gaming than my 50 meg connection.

Bandwidth or speed isnt so Important for gaming. All bandwidth and speed means is your sending and receiving larger packets of data. But for gaming purposes it's not the size of the packets that makes a difference but how fast they get there. That's why faster internet doesn't always mean better internet.

Anyway ninja wise I do wish I didnt have to wait after finishing a combo to start using madras that just feels clunky to me.

But my biggest peeve personally is I think they should just scrap assassinate entirely and just bang its potency onto dream. Because it's just an unnecessary button with it's current design

Originally Posted by Dzian

But my biggest peeve personally is I think they should just scrap assassinate entirely and just bang its potency onto dream. Because it's just an unnecessary button with it's current design

I'm not really sure why they have Assassinate work the way it does now. It's not depth; it is just button bloat in an expansion where they seemed concerned about the bloat. This, along with Mug feeling outdated in design, along with the change they made to Shadow Fang are my only real gripes with NIN as it is now. On that note it's also a bit strange that Rogue has no 50 capstone anymore. Just a bit strange.

I like the Mudra changes now that I've gotten used to the speed. Fighting bad latency has always been a problem of mine, and now I almost never mess them up anymore, plus I think that it makes our burst window a little bit easier to understand. Maybe NIN is a little easier to play for it, but I wouldn't call it dumbed down. They could still clean up the Job in other areas though, but I'm happy with Ninjutsu for now.

Originally Posted by MerlinCross

Mug at least is a Ninki gain button still. Assassinate just needs to be well Assassinated. Also two things, one Isn't Shadowfang the Rouge Cap? and 2, if you meant capstone in the way of traits, well this expansion has kinda just made me believe they hate Traits.

I also don't know if it's "Dumbed down" but it feels too slow for me to play happily again.

We get Death Blossom at 38, and Shadow Fang at 30. Rogue has no 50 class action, and neither does Bard. The action shuffle they did left some classes/jobs barren at the lower levels.

Also we are still keeping Doton up right? I was under the impression that the only Ninjutsu we don't use is Hyoton.

Originally Posted by SJWhat

We get Death Blossom at 38, and Shadow Fang at 30. Rogue has no 50 class action, and neither does Bard. The action shuffle they did left some classes/jobs barren at the lower levels.

Also we are still keeping Doton up right? I was under the impression that the only Ninjutsu we don't use is Hyoton.

Ah that's what you meant. I counted it as 'capstone' because Lv 30 is the level you tend to stop being a Class and start being a Job but looking over others like DRG, MNK and WAR, yeah other jobs get 2 ablilites at level 50.

But hey, low content 'doesn't matter' so it can be as boring as possible at that level. Anything to make people buy a jump potion right? God I hate syncing down on some classes.

As for Doton.., I'm not an expert but I still use it on trash especially these days where tanks are pulling from boss to boss. VS bosses I still use it but it has fallen down on how much of a priority it is.