Thread: 5.1 NIN slowed down and uninteresting

i guess im in the minority but i love the new ninja. it was never my main but i like how it feels like the opposite of rdm where as rdm are spellcaster with some melee, the new nin is melee with some spells. i miss kassatsu being guaranteed crit though.

Originally Posted by Kuwago

Also, Can someone explain why Meisui recast got increased to 120 sec? it feels too much for just a measly 50 ninki, like I understand that's one ninki skill but 2 minute cooldown seems too much.

You wouldn't be using it more than that anyways. It's 120 sec to line up perfectly with TCJ and every other TA, which is the only time you put up Suiton outside of setting up TA. Raiton is 800 potency and Bava only 300, so you never want to waste ninjutsu cd just for 50 ninki. With everything being so streamlined now, there's no need to manipulate your ninki to line up Bunshin with TA, you should always naturally have 50 when Bunshin goes off cd and you should use it right away unless there's downtime.

The slowness described on "waiting for the mudras" isn't really an issue when you play with it a little under optimal gameplay.
Mainly the mudras are used inside trick attack, in which you have plenty abilities you should be using, making the time between the last ninjutsu execution and the next mudra way shorter than what i was back in 5.0X

It does indeed feel kinda sad in between trick attacks, where you only use a bhava or a bunshin and a bhava up until your next trick.

Overall, a good change in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Lambdafish

How would you propose they fix the ping issue? I have high ping because I'm 100s of miles from the datacenter, not from any fault of SEs. I appreciate them making NIN playable for me.

This is basically where I am at. I loved the high APM of NIN, but all of the botched openers I encountered because an input did not register drove me absolutely crazy. It is far more playable for me now, and more enjoyable as a result of that. I would love for the higher APM/eccentric NIN to work in the same way, but it just didn't. Previous mudra system was never harmonious with the GCD, and they worked against each other; making NIN one of the clunkiest jobs in the game.

If there are two numbers I really wish I could see from previous NIN to this one, is how much my pDPS has gone up, and how much my GCD clipping has gone down. The mudra charges are also godsend in content previous to gaining Huton refreshers. I love taking my NIN into roulettes because of this change alone.

Originally Posted by Kaeoni

Ninjutsu being on GCD is a real bummer. And that's coming from a ninja who's Raiton would clip between GCDs. Those of you who complain Ninja was unplayable either have some of the worst connections (I played for a long time with 5-7 Mbps down and 0.2-0.5 Up), and/or you never played Ninja on launch

Ration would nearly always clip your gcds even on the fastest of connections it was just a case of how much it would clip.

Also as far as connection goes bandwidth or speed doesn't matter so much it's all about latency.

As an example my mobile phone running 4g can hit like 50meg download and 7or8 meg upload speeds but generally has a horrific latency of between 200-350ms.

My home broadband is only 25meg download and 6upload. But I get a latency of 100-150ms.

Basically my 25meg connection is better for gaming than my 50 meg connection.

Bandwidth or speed isnt so Important for gaming. All bandwidth and speed means is your sending and receiving larger packets of data. But for gaming purposes it's not the size of the packets that makes a difference but how fast they get there. That's why faster internet doesn't always mean better internet.

Anyway ninja wise I do wish I didnt have to wait after finishing a combo to start using madras that just feels clunky to me.

But my biggest peeve personally is I think they should just scrap assassinate entirely and just bang its potency onto dream. Because it's just an unnecessary button with it's current design

Originally Posted by Dzian

But my biggest peeve personally is I think they should just scrap assassinate entirely and just bang its potency onto dream. Because it's just an unnecessary button with it's current design

I'm not really sure why they have Assassinate work the way it does now. It's not depth; it is just button bloat in an expansion where they seemed concerned about the bloat. This, along with Mug feeling outdated in design, along with the change they made to Shadow Fang are my only real gripes with NIN as it is now. On that note it's also a bit strange that Rogue has no 50 capstone anymore. Just a bit strange.

I like the Mudra changes now that I've gotten used to the speed. Fighting bad latency has always been a problem of mine, and now I almost never mess them up anymore, plus I think that it makes our burst window a little bit easier to understand. Maybe NIN is a little easier to play for it, but I wouldn't call it dumbed down. They could still clean up the Job in other areas though, but I'm happy with Ninjutsu for now.

Starting to level my ninja again and liking the changes so far. It still flows smoothly and I like the slightly slowed down gameplay.

I have a question-- what is the Raiton vs Fuma situation now with the changes? When do you ever even use fuma outside of something like Ten Chi Jin?

Originally Posted by Ryaz

Starting to level my ninja again and liking the changes so far. It still flows smoothly and I like the slightly slowed down gameplay.

I have a question-- what is the Raiton vs Fuma situation now with the changes? When do you ever even use fuma outside of something like Ten Chi Jin?

Use Raiton unless you're in Kassatsu - in which case use Hyosho Ranryu - or when you need to put up Suiton/Huton. Fuma is, like you suspected, only used during TCJ(and at low levels obv).